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petegz28 03-25-2013 05:23 PM

DHS To Buy 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition
 
Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013

While the Department of Homeland Security continues to ignore members of Congress demanding to know why the federal agency is engaged in an apparent arms build-up, the DHS has just announced it plans to purchase another 360,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition to add to the roughly 2 billion bullets already bought over the past year.

A solicitation on the Federal Business Opportunities website details the DHS’ plan to purchase 360,000 rounds of “Commercial leaded training ammo (CLTA) Pistol .40 caliber 165 grain, jacketed hollow point.” The bullets are to be delivered to the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in Artesia, New Mexico, the same destination for 240,000 hollow point rounds which were purchased only last month.

Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Hollow point bullets are almost twice as expensive as full metal jackets, therefore the DHS’ explanation that it is buying huge quantities in bulk to “save money” doesn’t make sense.

As we reported yesterday, concerns about the apparent arms build-up are growing, with retired United States Army Captain Terry M. Hestilow sending a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) warning that the ammo purchases represent “a bold threat of war by that agency (DHS), and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America.”

Questions from members of Congress about why the federal agency is buying up ammo, exacerbating shortages across the country, have been met with silence.

- Kansas Congressman Timothy Huelscamp said last week that threats should be made to withdraw funding from the DHS if it didn’t explain why it was purchasing so many bullets, remarking, “They have no answer for that question. They refuse to answer to answer that.”

- Earlier this month, New Jersey Congressman Leonard Lance said, “Congress has a responsibility to ask Secretary Napolitano as to exactly why these purchases have occurred,” signaling his intention to get answers.

- Californian Congressman Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security asking if the purchases are, “being conducted in a manner that strategically denies the American people access to ammunition.”

Although members of Congress are treating the matter with the seriousness it deserves, the mainstream and leftist media have attempted to ridicule the entire issue as a conspiracy theory, with Atlantic Wire even suggesting that the story had its origins in a debunked email, a report that completely failed to even mention the admitted fact that the DHS had purchased around 2 billion bullets.

While the DHS continues to purchase bullets in large quantities, police departments have been forced to barter amongst each other in a desperate scramble to meet their ammo needs.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Infowars.com and Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a host for Infowars Nightly News.


This article was posted: Monday, March 25, 2013 at 10:08 am

http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-buy-3...nt-ammunition/

petegz28 03-25-2013 05:26 PM

As it was stated in the OP, you do not use hollow points for target practice. It's pointless and a complete waste of money and good ammo.

Just to give you an idea the going rate on .40 165gr JHP's is usually $30-$50 for a box of 50 depending on the brand. Good ammi such as Gold Dot can run you about $35 for 20 rounds.


180gr FMJ's, which most people use for target practice, are around $20 for 50 all day long.

So you can see to purchase hollow point ammo just for target practice is stupid and most likley a bullshit lie from DHS.

cosmo20002 03-25-2013 05:37 PM

:whackit:

theelusiveeightrop 03-25-2013 05:37 PM

Aliens.

Brock 03-25-2013 05:58 PM

I am trying to figure out how, where, and when the dhs "announced" this.

petegz28 03-25-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9529129)
I am trying to figure out how, where, and when the dhs "announced" this.


I don't see how this proves Jones to be correct but....whateva


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HonestChieffan 03-25-2013 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 9529129)
I am trying to figure out how, where, and when the dhs "announced" this.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0

cosmo20002 03-25-2013 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9529077)
Arms build-up continues as Congress demands answers

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
March 25, 2013


Although the DHS has attempted to explain its mammoth purchase of ammunition by claiming the bullets are being acquired in bulk to save money and that they are for training purposes only, this has been disputed by reputable voices such as former Marine Richard Mason, who told reporters with WHPTV News in Pennsylvania earlier this month, “We never trained with hollow points, we didn’t even see hollow points my entire four and a half years in the Marine Corps.”

Are the Marines under DHS now? If not, I'm not sure how what this one moron says is relevant to anything.

petegz28 03-25-2013 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9529189)
Are the Marines under DHS now? If not, I'm not sure how what this one moron says is relevant to anything.

DHS doesn't need hollow point ammo for anything other than killing people. That's what hollow points are for. Not target practice......killing people, period.

cosmo20002 03-25-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9529219)
DHS doesn't need hollow point ammo for anything other than killing people. That's what hollow points are for. Not target practice......killing people, period.

They probably want to practice with the same ammo they intend to kill you with.

listopencil 03-25-2013 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 9529219)
DHS doesn't need hollow point ammo for anything other than killing people. That's what hollow points are for. Not target practice......killing people, period.

Are hollow point rounds different enough in ballistic performance to justify training with them?

petegz28 03-25-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 9529246)
Are hollow point rounds different enough in ballistic performance to justify training with them?

No. They are more costly and I don't see how training with them vs fmj rounds will do anything but cost u money

petegz28 03-25-2013 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002 (Post 9529245)
They probably want to practice with the same ammo they intend to kill you with.

Bullshit

petegz28 03-25-2013 07:16 PM

There is no difference in accuracy or recoil with hollow points vs fmj. The only difference will be when a hollow point hits a human target. There is absolutely 0 difference between the two on any other target.

listopencil 03-25-2013 07:21 PM

The only thing I have been a able to dig up is that a hollow point may be slightly more accurate than a normal non jacketed round because: 1) the center of mass of the round is moved back away from the hollowed out tip giving it more stability in flight, and 2) hollow points tend to be manufactured with a higher overall standard. And lots of recommendations that you train with the round that you plan to carry.


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