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DaKCMan AP 04-04-2013 06:26 AM

WSJ: Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help
 
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Trading for a Quarterback Doesn't Really Help

Trading for quarterbacks has been quite popular this off-season, but are NFL teams being wise to do so? Recent history suggests otherwise.

This week's trades of Carson Palmer to the Arizona Cardinals and of Matt Flynn (pictured, far right) to the Oakland Raiders brought the total of projected starters acquired via trade to three this off-season, along with Kansas City's Alex Smith.

Notable quarterbacks such as John Elway and Brett Favre were traded by the teams that drafted them, before they had their greatest successes. But if Palmer, Flynn and Smith succeed in their first seasons with their new teams, it would buck a pretty clear trend in recent NFL history.

Since 1994, there have been 25 trades involving quarterbacks who started at least eight games for their new team the following season. Only two led their new teams to the postseason in the first year—Brad Johnson (1999 Redskins) and Steve McNair (2006 Ravens).

Some quarterbacks were successful, but struggled in their first season in a new city. Matt Hasselbeck went on to win five postseason games with the Seattle Seahawks and lead the team to Super Bowl XL. Trent Green had some success following a trade to the Kansas City Chiefs, and Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler remain upper-echelon quarterbacks with the Houston Texans and Chicago Bears, respectively, but have only three combined playoff victories with their new teams.

The failures of traded quarterbacks have far outweighed the successes, especially with over-the-hill QBs such as Brett Favre, who struggled down the stretch in his one season with the New York Jets, and Donovan McNabb, who struggled in his only season with the Washington Redskins, and later with the Minnesota Vikings. Both Palmer and Flynn were last traded within the past two seasons—and in both cases, the teams that traded for them gave up more than they got, while not achieving the results they were expecting.

—Eric Edholm
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...?mod=djemITP_h

Guru 04-04-2013 06:49 AM

I should start reading this paper. They make a lot of sense.

blaise 04-04-2013 06:55 AM

It's not like drafting QBs is always some great success either.

Guru 04-04-2013 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 9555571)
It's not like drafting QBs is always some great success either.

Chiefs would be a great poster child for that article though.

blaise 04-04-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9555573)
Chiefs would be a great poster child for that article though.

Yeah, trading for a QB can be a fix. It shouldn't be a trend spanning multiple decades.

Pitt Gorilla 04-04-2013 07:03 AM

Green Bay traded FOR Favre.

DaKCMan AP 04-04-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 9555577)
Green Bay traded FOR Favre.

And, 16 years later, Green Bay traded Favre.

Deberg_1990 04-04-2013 07:19 AM

heh, love this line



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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP (Post 9555550)
Matt Schaub and Jay Cutler remain upper-echelon quarterbacks with the Houston Texans and Chicago Bears, respectively


DaKCMan AP 04-04-2013 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 9555591)
heh, love this line

It's the true-fan portion of the article.

Fat Elvis 04-04-2013 08:08 AM

To be fair, using their methodology, drafting a QB in the first round really doesn't help either. Only 7 out of 48 QBs drafted in the first round since 1994 lead their teams to the playoffs in their first year. Two of those were last year, Luck and RG3, which everyone is saying are once in a generation QBs. Otherwise, '08 is the only other standout year when both Ryan and Flacco led their teams to the playoffs.

Before folks start their bitchfest and give themselves an aneurysm, understand I am only using the apparent methodology used by the article. I'm not saying that first round QBs don't develop into franchise QBs (ie the Mannings); I'm just using the same criteria as the article when they say that trading for a QB doesn't really help. Using their criteria, drafting a QB in the first round doesn't really help either.

DaKCMan AP 04-04-2013 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis (Post 9555666)
To be fair, using their methodology, drafting a QB in the first round really doesn't help either. Only 7 out of 48 QBs drafted in the first round since 1994 lead their teams to the playoffs in their first year. Two of those were last year, Luck and RG3, which everyone is saying are once in a generation QBs. Otherwise, '08 is the only other standout year when both Ryan and Flacco led their teams to the playoffs.

Before folks start their bitchfest and give themselves an aneurysm, understand I am only using the apparent methodology used by the article. I'm not saying that first round QBs don't develop into franchise QBs (ie the Mannings); I'm just using the same criteria as the article when they say that trading for a QB doesn't really help. Using their criteria, drafting a QB in the first round doesn't really help either.

How many of those 48 QBs drafted in the 1st round started at least 8 games for their teams during their rookie season?

ndws 04-04-2013 08:12 AM

lets revolutionize the game and play without a QB

loochy 04-04-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ndws (Post 9555676)
lets revolutionize the game and play without a QB

trade for tebow?

DaKCMan AP 04-04-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ndws (Post 9555676)
lets revolutionize the game and play without a QB

We've tried that the past 7 years. Doesn't work.

theelusiveeightrop 04-04-2013 08:15 AM

Wow. Water is wet. The QB lottery is part luck, part coaching, part talent, part skill, part intelligence, part having a good defense, etc.............Thanks Wall Street Journal.


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