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TomBarndtsTwin 05-02-2013 10:16 PM

Andy Reid seems to think all Tackles are created equal . . .
 
If history is any indication, Andy Reid seems to value an elite Right Tackle just as much as an elite Left Tackle:


Eagles make OT Runyan highest-paid lineman ever

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Posted: Monday February 14, 2000 08:30 PM

Jon Runyan rejected a six-year deal from the Tennessee Titans. Ezra O. Shaw/Allsport
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The Philadelphia Eagles broke ground on a $25 million practice facility and signed a $30 million free agent Monday.

Jon Runyan, a 6-foot-7, 330-pound right tackle, became the highest-paid offensive lineman in NFL history when he signed a 6-year, $30 million deal. Runyan, 26, leaves the AFC Champion Tennessee Titans for an Eagles team that is coming off a 5-11 season.

"It was going to take something to get me out of Tennessee and here I am," Runyan said. "There's a great feeling around here. The team is moving in the right direction. They stepped up and made the decision easy on the business end."

Runyan, who arrived in Philadelphia late Saturday night, said all along his decision would come down to money. Runyan's agent, Ben Dogra, said Tennessee offered him a six-year deal in excess of the $27 million package Cleveland gave to free-agent tackle Orlando Brown last year. However, the Eagles' offer is significantly more front-end loaded.

"There was no bidding war," Dogra said, adding that the Eagles initial offer was lower than the Titans'. "Tennessee had an offer to make him the highest paid lineman. We asked them if they would move on their offer. They probably called our bluff, thinking they would be bidding against themselves."

Runyan received a $6 million signing bonus and will get an additional $3.5 million if he is on the roster Feb. 21. His base salary for the 2000 season is $500,000. Runyan will count $5 million against the salary cap this year. He will earn $3.5 million in 2001-03. His salary increases to $4.5 in 2004 and $5.5 million in 2005. A Pro Bowl clause could make the final year worth $6.5 million.

"He's the best right tackle in football, bar none," Eagles coach Andy Reid said. "Everything starts with the offensive line. Having that philosophy, he is a key ingredient. He's a big part of this."

Runyan, a four-year veteran, played for three, 8-8 Titans teams prior to Tennessee's Super Bowl run this year. He believes there are similarities between his former team and his new team.

"I feel comfortable here," Runyan said. "They have a great, young quarterback [Donovan McNabb], a good running back [Duce Staley] and a solid defense. It's hard to turn down."

Runyan will team with 6-foot-7, 350-pound left tackle Tra Thomas to give the Eagles formidable bookend tackles. He helps solidify an offensive line unit that has not played well consistently since the early 1980s. The last offensive lineman to represent the Eagles in the Pro Bowl was Jerry Sisemore in 1982. Runyan also allows the Eagles to address other needs, namely wide receiver and defensive line, with the No. 6 pick in April's draft.

"This is obviously a position we feel secure at," Reid said. "Does it mean we won't take another lineman in the draft? No."

Runyan was scheduled to leave Philadelphia on Sunday. However, he decided to stay another day as a good faith gesture to prove he was serious about the Eagles. The team has been burned by free agents in the past who used their visit to Philadelphia as a bargaining tool. Dogra said he had not scheduled any other visits for Runyan though several teams are believed to have expressed interest.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo..._ap/?mobile=no

Just thought this was interesting to read so many years later . . . .

Some food for thought . . . . or discussion . . .

Sweet Daddy Hate 05-02-2013 10:34 PM

Antiquated Andy.
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Bump 05-02-2013 10:46 PM

we do kind of underrate a good RT. honestly, its like do we forget the days of I-65? and all those ****ed tards that kept ****ing up and we were yelling at the TV being all like "GOD DAMNIT JORDAN BLACK DIE IN A FIRE"

Really though, pass rushers are coming at all angles these days, Justin Houston eats right tackles for breakfast on a weekly basis. It's not a bad idea to value the position a little more.

Simply Red 05-02-2013 11:53 PM

I'm going to tell u - six wins - 6

learn to cope with it - say it - say it aloud.

Count Zarth 05-02-2013 11:58 PM

Quote:

Everything starts with the offensive line.
http://uranus.ckt.net/~gochiefs/dumbchefs.gif

buddha 05-03-2013 12:02 AM

Teams put great rushers over the RT as well.

TomBarndtsTwin 05-03-2013 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9654303)
we do kind of underrate a good RT. honestly, its like do we forget the days of I-65? and all those ****ed tards that kept ****ing up and we were yelling at the TV being all like "GOD DAMNIT JORDAN BLACK DIE IN A FIRE"

Really though, pass rushers are coming at all angles these days, Justin Houston eats right tackles for breakfast on a weekly basis. It's not a bad idea to value the position a little more.

Ugh . . . . . Jordan Black. Had almost forgotten about that nightmare! :shake:

CoMoChief 05-03-2013 01:28 AM

Well it goes both ways....

A QB can not be successful if he's on his back all game. Oline has to block first because anything can be accomplished offensively.

Having that said I think Alex Smith sucks, I think he's always sucked and I think he benefited from a great defense in SF the last couple years, a defense the Chiefs do not have currently at the moment. He's a game manager just like Cassel was. Smith isn't going to be asked to win ball games, he's gonna be asked to not turn the ball over and put the ball in the playmakers hands.

Reid is known for being a passer first, but I just don't see how that's going to be this team's philosophy w/ Smith at the helm. I just don't. If you're going to be a pass-first team in this league you have to have a guy that's willing to put a team on his back, make everyone around him better and march down the field for TD drives, not this FG bullshit we've been witnessing for the past 8-9 yrs.

Damn it's been a decade since we had that awesome 2002-2003 offense. But that offense thrived w/ only having an average QB and no WR threats on the outside. Now granted we had one of the best Olines in NFL history in 2002 and a HOF TE, but our game was a run first offense and we passed a lot out of the backfield to our RB's, which is what Reid is going to do this season. Getting the ball into Charles hands in open field? I'm sold.

People also forget how much Dante Hall changed games for the Chiefs then. Something that we've been sorely lacking since he's left. This team needs to score TD's and set up good field position on every opportunity. Who'd going to return punts? McCluster? Gilyard? Gray? DMC better hold onto the god damn ball this season....same goes for Knile Davis...esp if he plans on being back#2.

Good thing about signing Albert long term is that it allows Stephenson to get better under the radar...so that if any of our starting tackles gets injured down the road, hopefully Stephenson can be good enough to step in and the offense not skip a beat. He was horrible at times last season but he also held his own a lot of times as well. He just needs time to get better and adjust to the league, I truly believe he can be a good tackle.

I'll agree w/ anyone that this team needs a top10 elite NFL QB in order to win it all...it's a god damn shame this team didn't suck for Luck, or fill their pants full of pee for RGIII. This was just a horrible year to have the 1st overall pick if you're wanting to draft a franchise QB...there just wasn't one in this draft.

Setsuna 05-03-2013 01:40 AM

ROFL I hate that gif but I'm loving it more the more I hate it.

But man I tell ya, you don't need stellar RTs and LTs, you just need ones that will do what you ask and nothing more. I guess we can expect Fisher to get Matt Cassel money once his rookie contract is up. Championship!

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-03-2013 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9654303)
we do kind of underrate a good RT. honestly, its like do we forget the days of I-65? and all those ****ed tards that kept ****ing up and we were yelling at the TV being all like "GOD DAMNIT JORDAN BLACK DIE IN A FIRE"

Really though, pass rushers are coming at all angles these days, Justin Houston eats right tackles for breakfast on a weekly basis. It's not a bad idea to value the position a little more.

People were yelling for Black to DIAF when he was subbing for Roaf and getting bludgeoned play after play in an offensive system where every call took 4-6 seconds to adequately develop.

'Hamas' Jenkins 05-03-2013 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9654429)

Nothing ever has, or will, encapsulate the futility of the Chiefs, both in their fans and failure, than that gif.

philfree 05-03-2013 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoMoChief (Post 9654463)
Well it goes both ways....

A QB can not be successful if he's on his back all game. Oline has to block first because anything can be accomplished offensively.

Having that said I think Alex Smith sucks, I think he's always sucked and I think he benefited from a great defense in SF the last couple years, a defense the Chiefs do not have currently at the moment. He's a game manager just like Cassel was. Smith isn't going to be asked to win ball games, he's gonna be asked to not turn the ball over and put the ball in the playmakers hands.

Reid is known for being a passer first, but I just don't see how that's going to be this team's philosophy w/ Smith at the helm. I just don't. If you're going to be a pass-first team in this league you have to have a guy that's willing to put a team on his back, make everyone around him better and march down the field for TD drives, not this FG bullshit we've been witnessing for the past 8-9 yrs.

Damn it's been a decade since we had that awesome 2002-2003 offense. But that offense thrived w/ only having an average QB and no WR threats on the outside. Now granted we had one of the best Olines in NFL history in 2002 and a HOF TE, but our game was a run first offense and we passed a lot out of the backfield to our RB's, which is what Reid is going to do this season. Getting the ball into Charles hands in open field? I'm sold.

People also forget how much Dante Hall changed games for the Chiefs then. Something that we've been sorely lacking since he's left. This team needs to score TD's and set up good field position on every opportunity. Who'd going to return punts? McCluster? Gilyard? Gray? DMC better hold onto the god damn ball this season....same goes for Knile Davis...esp if he plans on being back#2.

Good thing about signing Albert long term is that it allows Stephenson to get better under the radar...so that if any of our starting tackles gets injured down the road, hopefully Stephenson can be good enough to step in and the offense not skip a beat. He was horrible at times last season but he also held his own a lot of times as well. He just needs time to get better and adjust to the league, I truly believe he can be a good tackle.

I'll agree w/ anyone that this team needs a top10 elite NFL QB in order to win it all...it's a god damn shame this team didn't suck for Luck, or fill their pants full of pee for RGIII. This was just a horrible year to have the 1st overall pick if you're wanting to draft a franchise QB...there just wasn't one in this draft.


Uhhhh...What?

mdchiefsfan 05-03-2013 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wonton Prejudice (Post 9654429)

LMAO

Lightrise 05-03-2013 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 9654303)
we do kind of underrate a good RT. honestly, its like do we forget the days of I-65? and all those ****ed tards that kept ****ing up and we were yelling at the TV being all like "GOD DAMNIT JORDAN BLACK DIE IN A FIRE"

Really though, pass rushers are coming at all angles these days, Justin Houston eats right tackles for breakfast on a weekly basis. It's not a bad idea to value the position a little more.

I agree. There is far too much video of inadequate protection on the right side. Pressure is pressure and it certainly does make a difference. As I studied Bray's video two things really stand out, much faster than most in the drop back and the fast release. I didn't see much tape of shotgun. Bray can really be something special with some coaching and I believe the plan all along with Childress was to make sure that either he or Reid had plenty of time to work with a rookie QB. Smith is actually a managers dream..reliable, not careless and not a troublemaker. I just think quality tackles on both sides will do wonders for the passing game and Charles will deliver a season full of thrills.

PA Chiefs 05-03-2013 04:46 AM

We need as many good players as possible so keeping Albert at this point is a no brainer. If Fisher and Albert are both top 10-15 tackles Charles will have over 2500 total yards from scrimmage. Plus A.Smith is a true game manager not to be compared with our last so called game manager so we need to protect him and let him get the ball out in a nice pocket. I think with that he can be very productive in Reid's system.


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