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RunKC 12-05-2022 10:25 AM

Can’t wait to get Hardman and Toney back
 
The offense lead the NFL in scoring as of yesterday and the offense put us in position to get at least 27 points but Butker missed the kick.

That was with the great play by Reader to bat a Mahomes pass away from a wide open Kelce inside the 10 and Kelce fumbling. It was also with Juju missing most of the 2nd quarter.

We saw MVS getting open a handful of times against this team even though he was the only pure speed we had at WR. Getting these 2 back changes everything.

Hardman alone as a gadget player changes a lot. Toney is a supremely talented player and we’ve seen it. You can’t drop 8 against that bc their combined speed makes it harder to defend for extended plays.

You can have a TE in to help a tackle and shift Mahomes to that protection bc of that added speed. And we’ll get Toney back for returns.

We haven’t seen a game yet where we have all of our weapons healthy and I think it’s a massive advantage. It’s gonna let Andy have so much more flexibility in playcalling.

The offense will be as good as it was in years when we get them back

notorious 12-05-2022 10:26 AM

Thuney, too.

Hammock Parties 12-05-2022 10:28 AM

we need hardman to drop 40 on people

no one else on the roster besides toney brings what he brings

without that speed element we go from elite to just very good

Sassy Squatch 12-05-2022 10:32 AM

Why wouldn't teams still be able to drop 8? Toney and Hardman being fast as **** doesn't change the fact that Brown and Wylie are susceptible to giving up immediate pressures. That's why the Bengals have such success with that look against us.

O.city 12-05-2022 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16647864)
Why wouldn't teams still be able to drop 8? Toney and Hardman being fast as **** doesn't change the fact that Brown and Wylie are susceptible to giving up immediate pressures. That's why the Bengals have such success with that look against us.

But it didn't work yesterday. We ran for 140 yards and moved the ball at will.

A fluke Kelce fumble and a missed FG.

JustDíqLix 12-05-2022 10:35 AM

I wouldn’t expect much from Toney.

Molitoth 12-05-2022 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16647867)
But it didn't work yesterday. We ran for 140 yards and moved the ball at will.

A fluke Kelce fumble and a missed FG.

This.

Anyone finding excuses on the offensive side is just... weird.

The offense was fine in an NFL game against a major rival in a playoff atmosphere.

Without a Kelce fumble the turnout could have easily been very different.


Our Dline not getting any pressure whatsoever is the problem with this team.

chiefzilla1501 12-05-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16647864)
Why wouldn't teams still be able to drop 8? Toney and Hardman being fast as **** doesn't change the fact that Brown and Wylie are susceptible to giving up immediate pressures. That's why the Bengals have such success with that look against us.

We can do way more with the quick game and we had lots of success with misdirections and sweeps even with weapons not nearly as dynamic as these two. We were a totally different offense with Toney vs Tennessee, and I suspect we’ll see the same here. Mahomes can fight through it but with these guys we don’t have to ask him to nearly as much

O.city 12-05-2022 10:38 AM

We ran the ball at will yesterday.

Andy should have ran it on the 3rd and 4 play and went for it on fourth. Bengals DC mixed and matched it well on 3rd downs, bringing pressure or dropping.

penguinz 12-05-2022 10:40 AM

Both Toney and MH can turn a behind the line of scrimmage pass into a 15-20 yard gain in a blur. We have noboody else that can do that. Moore's jet sweep looked much slower than Mecole or Toney.

RunKC 12-05-2022 10:43 AM

“How do we beat the Bills and Bengals?”

You out score them. You have 3 elite speed players, Kelce and a RB that can pound the ball for yards. The speed returning to Andy’s offense changes everything.

MVS’s speed alone on the outside opens up Kelce in the middle. It’s on tape and proven time and time again. Imagine what getting 2 more elite speed players will do?

Sassy Squatch 12-05-2022 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16647867)
But it didn't work yesterday. We ran for 140 yards and moved the ball at will.

A fluke Kelce fumble and a missed FG.

Mahomes held to his lowest yardage total on the year and only 1 TD. Yeah, not going to jump up and down in joy about 140 yards rushing when it means we're playing right into the Bengals game plan to shorten the game and limit the possessions each team has.

Mecca 12-05-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16647899)
Mahomes held to his lowest yardage total on the year and only 1 TD. Yeah, not going to jump up and down in joy about 140 yards rushing when it means we're playing right into the Bengals game plan to shorten the game and limit the possessions each team has.

Unless you're just gonna randomly find 2 new OT's right now, there isn't much you can do.

Sassy Squatch 12-05-2022 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16647914)
Unless you're just gonna randomly find 2 new OT's right now, there isn't much you can do.

Yeah, unfortunately the weak play on the edges of both lines is probably going to be this teams downfall come January. I'd kind of expected Clark and Wylie to suck but Brown and Karlaftis being completely useless yesterday was a massive disappointment.

Mecca 12-05-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16647923)
Yeah, unfortunately the weak play on the edges of both lines is probably going to be this teams downfall come January. I'd kind of expected Clark and Wylie to suck but Brown and Karlaftis being completely useless yesterday was a massive disappointment.

If the other team can take away Chris Jones or he just isn't on that day, the DL turns to total shit.


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