Originally Posted by Iowanian
Conservation programs, CRP, Wetland grass, forest reserve and a number of other programs are mostly taken advantage of in my area by wealthy out of state or absentee landowners. The tax payers have literally paid for thousands of acres of farms for people who worked it right, a congressman who pushed the program being one of them.
The subside direct payment is one thing, but let's not kid that there are a lot of people out there farming the insurance checks, and let's not pretend there isn't a lot of gray area in that too. no farmer ever "loses" a few wagons of corn.
I support agriculture and farmers, but far more of the new fancy brick front homes I see these days are in corn fields than in towns. You can search those owner names and pretty regularly they've taken in astonishing numbers of subsidies over the past decade.
I'm all for WIC. I don't have a problem providing specific foods to kids in need. I'll always support that.
I'm also in favor of school lunch programs, but I almost wish we'd just cut the crap and just provide lunches and milk as part of an education. I live in an area where quite a high percentage truly need this type of help. I'm ok with it. I didn't fully understand that there really are hungry kids out there. I know of a program where school kids are sent home on weekends with a backpack of food and snacks on the weekend, because they wouldn't eat otherwise. Programs exist in welfare, but if single-mom or dad is a shitbrick meth head.....some kids I know of actually hide the backpack when they get home.
Don't plan to get into a major pissin match especially tonight. But, let clarify. CRP has never been lucrative enough to buy land if you didn't already own it. It barely equalled rental rates and certainly never equaled rental rates on productive non erode able land. If someone could afford to buy it before CRP and use the rent to pay part of the payment, the same math, maybe not as good applied and still does post CRP. Hundreds of thousands of acres are being taken out of CRP because the terms are poor, the program has been reduced and the cash isn't there for land owners.
Forestry programs have been pretty dismal. Missouri certainly has a ton more forest acres than Iowa and its been a lousy program. Mostly because you must set it 100% to forestry and cannot graze the timber or grass ares inside the timber.
I think if you were able to get the details, it wasn't wealthy and out of state non farm folk who jumped in, it was older retired landowners who could lock in a price for 10 years and did so rather than play the grain markets and risks associated with crop share and crop rental. Not to say some of what you say didn't happen but a great deal was more older retired farmers and their kids.
Re crop insurance...amen brother. Way to much is going out in very questionable situations. Bullshit needs to be called but FSA and the fed folks never call fouls on the big boys.
Hard to believe how easy farmers can ID the bullshit and the fraud and the worthless programs but the geniuses we have in Washington can't...makes you understand the program isn't aimed at farmers in most cases.