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Old 02-25-2014, 07:09 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by Donger View Post
Are you suggesting that we shouldn't share SIGINT, ELINT and HUMINT with our allies?
nope. Share away. The more people who have access to it, the more likely that illegal activities (if there are any) will be leaked to the public.

As U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis said,
Originally Posted by Brandeis
Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.
Originally Posted by Donger View Post
A person who believes that "the official story" of 9/11, that Islamic terrorists acting under approval from al Qaeda leadership hijacked and crashed four US airliners on 9/11/2001, is not true. Some of these people argue that it couldn't have taken place without the US government being aware of it at the minimum and that perhaps was "in on it" at the maximum.
As a physician, I believe in the idea of "informed consent." This essentially means that my job is to share knowledge with my patients, who are of sound mind, and that they have the autonomy to make decisions regarding their care.

In the same regard, I believe that the American Public should have access to information so that they can come to their own conclusions. That is not possible with the indefinite classification of information.

President Obama said,

Originally Posted by Obama
no information may remain classified indefinitely.
He backed that up with an executive order

Some of that order states that information cannot be classified simply to prevent embarrasement to the government. Unfortunately, those rules are not fully followed since we learned that Rahinah Ibrahim was put on the 'No Fly List' due to a paperwork mistake, and that the government tried to keep her on the 'No Fly List' and keep the documents regarding it secret and classified for the only reason to prevent embarrasement to the government.

We also know that the whole concept of "State Secrets Privellage" was based on a lie in United States vs Reynolds in 1952 in which the government said revealing documents regarding a B-52 bomber crash would reveal military secrets. Only in 2000 when the documents were unclassified did the american public know that there was no "military secrets" and that the only reason for classification was to defraud a suing widow. The report showed a compendium of witness statements and expert findings that indicate a number of mistakes and errors led to the crash.

Thus, I dont think it is appropriate for the government to be able to keep documents classified for 50 or more years. Classification of documents should be far more limited. Documents should also not be destroyed before the public has an opportunity to see them even if it embarasses the government (such as about torture).

The american people should have timely access to documents so that they can come to their own decisions regarding 9-11, The Gulf of Tonkin Incident or other events, and not have to simply believe an "official story."

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