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Old 02-25-2014, 08:37 PM   #95
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Originally Posted by Donger View Post
Strange. You acknowledge that you don't have all the facts about what your government is or isn't doing (and therefore shouldn't express an opinion about it)
That is regarding 9-11, not necessarily everything. I didnt make that statement regarding everything. Further, I have clearly made an opinion to wait based on info provided by politicians who have seen the full 9-11 report.

Originally Posted by Donger View Post
and yet you write this: But it turns out that there are such agents actively manipulating opinions in online forums. The slides he shows even mentions some of their tactics such as using: confirmation bias, disinfo, slander, anchoring, priming, social penetration theory, attention control, etc.
how is that strange? The slides clearly suggest those tactics.

Originally Posted by Donger View Post
Pardon? What have you seen that makes sense contrary to the "official" version?
I havent seen all the evidence one way or the other. Information is classified. Politicians who have seen the full 9-11 report state that the american public is not getting all the info.

Originally Posted by Donger View Post
Actually, no, he doesn't. How do you know that what is shown on the slides is ACTUALLY being done and not just a suggested course of possible action?
I am concerned regardless of whether it is a suggested course of action or whether it is actually being done. Greenwald provides some proof with links within his article.

Originally Posted by greenwald
Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.
please see the links in his article that he referenced to come up with "the overarching point revealed by all of these documents."

If you dont believe Greenwald's assertions, than your argument is with him and you should address those questions to him. He has won a number of journalistic awards for his reporting, so it seems his peers hold his credibility and journalistic ability in high regard.
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