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Originally Posted by SNR
This is the part of the debate that turns everything to hell.
It's a complete logical fallacy to claim Murray can't be Brees or Wilson because he was selected at the 163rd pick in the draft. You're using as examples two QBs who were passed up by every single team at least once and saying a third QB can't be those guys BECAUSE teams passed him up repeatedly. Numerous counter-examples exist to poke a hole in your theory, but if any of the legit ones are mentioned (Tom Brady is the most popular) then people like me get accused of comparing Aaron Murray to Tom Brady, which is hardly the case.
If you're going to say a QB can't play in the NFL, talk about his traits, his experience, his shortcomings, and the stuff we can work with.
Again, we're not saying "**** stats." It's absolutely true that QBs picked in higher rounds do way better than QBs picked in the lower rounds. That's not in question, but nobody is challenging that notion. Just as nobody is challenging the notion that Murray has a tough road to climb to even be considered as a starting QB for a brief amount of time, much less be a great one.
There are ALWAYS exceptions, where QBs fall farther than they should into the middle rounds, a team picks a guy up, and he has a killer career. All people are doing is saying, "Aaron Murray has as good of a chance as any of the soon-to-be washed out late round QBs to make it past backup status." Which is true. Most NFL analysts, scouts, and draft gurus are saying that Murray has some intriguing things about him that can make him not just another Curtis Painter or Ricky Stanzi. That's it.
That's what this conversation is about.
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Yep. It's frustrating that people continue to have the same argument that a guy can only be X good if he went in X round. Because all you have to say is "Tom Brady." And then everyone gets annoyed, because you're using an old, rehashed argument.
They retort that Brady and Brees and Wilson are anomalies, because they have talent that was dismissed - talent that Murray doesn't have. But right there is the point - bring the argument back to the actual player.
Because debating what round some guy went in as the sole indicator of success is next to worthless. All it takes is one example to completely discredit it.