The thing about this topic that frustrates me the most is so many athiests think that a creator and science have to be mutually exclusive.
Like a creator couldn't create a SYSTEM wherin exists evolution, gravity, and other laws...
Ive spent a better part of my life as an Agnost...and for me people like Dave and Hitchins, who completely dismiss the spiritual or creator sieds of the argument and constantly try to 'convert' others and prove how 'stupid' they are for having a faith are just as laughable...heck...even MORE laughable than the Jehova or Mormon knocking on my door....At least the Jehova is honest and forthright....The athiest will look you straight in the face and say faith is stupid, all the while trying to 'convert' you to his faith...not seeing that he has just as much emotion and just as little logic, and is proselytizing every bit as much as the Jehova.
It's almost like extreme left wingers vs extreme right wingers, once you go around the circle from left to right it gets pretty hard to tell a NAzi from a Commie to a Fascist and basically it doesn't matter.
They're all bullshit.