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kccrow · 12-03-2014, 01:01 AM

First off, re-typed this so I can wrap my head around it...
I actually put some time into a reply on a mock for once so don't take it personal

1. Danny Shelton, NT - Washington (6'2" 340)
Your plan is to draft a guy to play the spot we already have a STUD at in order do move said stud from that spot to defensive end... I'm not on board with this. Poe is very good where he is at and his athleticsm, strength, and size are what make him so good there. I want a disruptive DE, but I don't think Poe has that type of stamina to consistently come from the edge instead of straight up the middle. So... bad pick in my book. Shelton is a good football player but I don't think this is what you do to fix what you want to fix, and that is the defensive end position.

2. Cody Prewitt, S - Ole Miss (6'2" 212)
Prewitt is my favorite safety prospect in this class. I'm not sure whether or not he makes it this deep. If he test relatively well for the position at the combine, I think he goes 1st round. In round 2, this would be an A+ pick in my book.

3. Stefon Diggs, WR - Maryand (6'0" 195)
Despite his talent, I'm leaning heavily towards taking Diggs off of my board. He seems to lack sound character/intelligence with a few antics over his career, including his most recent run-in with an official. Diggs should actually be more productive than he is. He is a concern, a yo-yo type player with amazing physical abilities. We've seen those fizzle out in the league countless times. This being the first attempt to address the position of very high need would cause me to be more than a bit worried. Diggs needs to return to school for his senior year, grow up, and be more productive.

3. Eric Kendricks, ILB - UCLA (6'0" 230)
Kendricks really is a very good linebacker and I'm not sure he last to the tail-end of round 3. He would be quite appealing to a 4-3 team with his range and size. He's a bit undersized for a 3-4, but that isn't necessarily a huge detriment. I think he goes at least around your Diggs pick, if not sooner.

4. Jeff Heuerman, TE - Ohio State (6'6" 255)
A very underrated TE because of the amount of blocking he does at Ohio State. He makes the very most of every receiving opportunity. He reminds me a bunch of Kelce in college. I love this kid as a player. I think you get everything you ask for from this type of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he lights up the combine as its most athletic TE overall either.

4. Sean Mannion, QB - Oregon State (6'5" 220)
Mannion has kinda fallen off of my list as a guy I "want." He just hasn't taken that next step as a player like I thought he could/would. I was hoping to see more, better decisions, more velocity on his ball, better pocket awareness and ability to step into pressure. I've actually moved Shane Carden up as the QB I'd like to see KC take a shot on. Carden has a more compact release (although he needs to be less sloppy too sometimes), steps up into the pocket and into throws, has more velocity, and seems to read past his hot better.

5. John Miller, OG - Louisville (6'2" 321)
I really like Miller a bunch and have been kind of overlooking him at times. Underrated, sleeper type. Really is solid all-around. Nothing much else to say. Wish he was quicker and longer, but he's going to be a rock none-the-less - or so it appears.

5. Wayne Lyons, CB - Stanford (6'1" 195)
I'm not thrilled with Lyons, seems too stiff to stick in man and isn't physical to press. Seems lost in zone. I need to watch more of him I think, but I'm not on board yet.

6. Jeff Luc, ILB - Cincinnati (6'1 251)
This is a guy I can get on board with as a late round pick. He still needs work, but he's finally showing he wants to put work into football. He could be something, but he's not a guy you take overly early given the history.

6. Terrance Plummer, ILB - Central Florida (6'2" 241)
I like plummer. He plays fast, he seems like a student of the game. He is always aware of the ball on the field. You can't teach those things. He can get bigger, stronger, faster. He's a guy I think can become a leader. Not sure what he'll become with certainty, but there's alot to like about his game.

7. Justin McCay, WR - Kansas (6'2" 210)
Meh. This is not a guy I would draft. I don't think he'll separate from defensive backs in the pros. Not enough experience. He could bounce around on a practice squad for a few years as a UDFA, but that's about all I see unless he learns the game from the PS.

Let's start with a couple things here aside from my individual analysis of each player...
3 ILBs? I'm not sure about that. One early, one late, yeah I'm on board with that. Take another late flyer on something else, maybe a skill position.

You say you like Jeff Allen, that's admirable. I don't, so I'm not enamored with one 5th round pick to address O-line. I'm worried about RT. I hate to keep picking the garbage bin. I'm worred about LG and OG depth. Maybe you get a starter out of Miller, but there is no depth either on this team.

You address WR with a Junior that should not declare, and looks every bit like he could end up being an NFL problem child if he does decare. The only other option is a guy in McCay that might become something after a couple years on a PS. Unless you have a plan to bring in free agents at the position, this screams of another shit year at the position.

I don't like your solution to the DE problem that isn't even really that much of a problem. I can live with our current defensive line if they retain what is here now, sans perhaps a backup NT that can take some snaps from Poe here and there. The real problem against the run is no ILBs that can come down and fill and you address that.

I'd say, go with this:

1.
2. S Prewitt
3. LB Kendricks
3.
4. TE Heuerman
4.
5. OG Miller
5.
6. LB Plummer
6.
7.

Fill in the blanks with something new.

12-03-2014, 01:01 AM	#11
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1150000	First off, re-typed this so I can wrap my head around it... I actually put some time into a reply on a mock for once so don't take it personal 1. Danny Shelton, NT - Washington (6'2" 340) Your plan is to draft a guy to play the spot we already have a STUD at in order do move said stud from that spot to defensive end... I'm not on board with this. Poe is very good where he is at and his athleticsm, strength, and size are what make him so good there. I want a disruptive DE, but I don't think Poe has that type of stamina to consistently come from the edge instead of straight up the middle. So... bad pick in my book. Shelton is a good football player but I don't think this is what you do to fix what you want to fix, and that is the defensive end position. 2. Cody Prewitt, S - Ole Miss (6'2" 212) Prewitt is my favorite safety prospect in this class. I'm not sure whether or not he makes it this deep. If he test relatively well for the position at the combine, I think he goes 1st round. In round 2, this would be an A+ pick in my book. 3. Stefon Diggs, WR - Maryand (6'0" 195) Despite his talent, I'm leaning heavily towards taking Diggs off of my board. He seems to lack sound character/intelligence with a few antics over his career, including his most recent run-in with an official. Diggs should actually be more productive than he is. He is a concern, a yo-yo type player with amazing physical abilities. We've seen those fizzle out in the league countless times. This being the first attempt to address the position of very high need would cause me to be more than a bit worried. Diggs needs to return to school for his senior year, grow up, and be more productive. 3. Eric Kendricks, ILB - UCLA (6'0" 230) Kendricks really is a very good linebacker and I'm not sure he last to the tail-end of round 3. He would be quite appealing to a 4-3 team with his range and size. He's a bit undersized for a 3-4, but that isn't necessarily a huge detriment. I think he goes at least around your Diggs pick, if not sooner. 4. Jeff Heuerman, TE - Ohio State (6'6" 255) A very underrated TE because of the amount of blocking he does at Ohio State. He makes the very most of every receiving opportunity. He reminds me a bunch of Kelce in college. I love this kid as a player. I think you get everything you ask for from this type of guy. I wouldn't be surprised if he lights up the combine as its most athletic TE overall either. 4. Sean Mannion, QB - Oregon State (6'5" 220) Mannion has kinda fallen off of my list as a guy I "want." He just hasn't taken that next step as a player like I thought he could/would. I was hoping to see more, better decisions, more velocity on his ball, better pocket awareness and ability to step into pressure. I've actually moved Shane Carden up as the QB I'd like to see KC take a shot on. Carden has a more compact release (although he needs to be less sloppy too sometimes), steps up into the pocket and into throws, has more velocity, and seems to read past his hot better. 5. John Miller, OG - Louisville (6'2" 321) I really like Miller a bunch and have been kind of overlooking him at times. Underrated, sleeper type. Really is solid all-around. Nothing much else to say. Wish he was quicker and longer, but he's going to be a rock none-the-less - or so it appears. 5. Wayne Lyons, CB - Stanford (6'1" 195) I'm not thrilled with Lyons, seems too stiff to stick in man and isn't physical to press. Seems lost in zone. I need to watch more of him I think, but I'm not on board yet. 6. Jeff Luc, ILB - Cincinnati (6'1 251) This is a guy I can get on board with as a late round pick. He still needs work, but he's finally showing he wants to put work into football. He could be something, but he's not a guy you take overly early given the history. 6. Terrance Plummer, ILB - Central Florida (6'2" 241) I like plummer. He plays fast, he seems like a student of the game. He is always aware of the ball on the field. You can't teach those things. He can get bigger, stronger, faster. He's a guy I think can become a leader. Not sure what he'll become with certainty, but there's alot to like about his game. 7. Justin McCay, WR - Kansas (6'2" 210) Meh. This is not a guy I would draft. I don't think he'll separate from defensive backs in the pros. Not enough experience. He could bounce around on a practice squad for a few years as a UDFA, but that's about all I see unless he learns the game from the PS. Let's start with a couple things here aside from my individual analysis of each player... 3 ILBs? I'm not sure about that. One early, one late, yeah I'm on board with that. Take another late flyer on something else, maybe a skill position. You say you like Jeff Allen, that's admirable. I don't, so I'm not enamored with one 5th round pick to address O-line. I'm worried about RT. I hate to keep picking the garbage bin. I'm worred about LG and OG depth. Maybe you get a starter out of Miller, but there is no depth either on this team. You address WR with a Junior that should not declare, and looks every bit like he could end up being an NFL problem child if he does decare. The only other option is a guy in McCay that might become something after a couple years on a PS. Unless you have a plan to bring in free agents at the position, this screams of another shit year at the position. I don't like your solution to the DE problem that isn't even really that much of a problem. I can live with our current defensive line if they retain what is here now, sans perhaps a backup NT that can take some snaps from Poe here and there. The real problem against the run is no ILBs that can come down and fill and you address that. I'd say, go with this: 1. 2. S Prewitt 3. LB Kendricks 3. 4. TE Heuerman 4. 5. OG Miller 5. 6. LB Plummer 6. 7. Fill in the blanks with something new.
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