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Originally Posted by Saccopoo
Is Fuller actually worth a first round selection with guys like TCU's Josh Doctson, Michael Thomas (Ohio State) at the position not to mention obvious need trench guys?
Fuller looks like he could break in half in a stiff wind. Emmanuel Sanders-ish, but is that worth a first rounder considering Maclin on the roster and the pending problem at DT (Austin Johnson) and the obvious hole at RT (Germain Ifedi)?
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Sac, here's a post I made to something similar over at the Coalition, so I'll just copy and paste...
I think far too many Chiefs' fans far undervalue a good #2 WR in today's NFL. It's not that I think you guys are entirely
wrong about not drafting a receiver in the first round, but I think you are
very wrong for thinking that a good #2 isn't necessary because we have Maclin and Kelce. We all saw this past season how good the Chiefs are offensively without Maclin. The offense, quite literally, imploded. I'm not overly confident if the team lost Kelce for an extended period of time either.
Let me point you to the 2010-2013 Philadelphia Eagles under Reid. That team featured Jeremy Maclin, DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, and Brent Celek. All of those players put up good statistics, and the offense had explosive capabilities. When Maclin went down in 2013, Jackson was able to step up as the #1 and have a career year. When Jackson left in 2014 and the Eagles added Jordan Matthews with an early 2nd round pick, they were again a top tier offense with explosive capability.
And that is a big key with this team, they cannot score quickly on anyone. They are a slow as hell, dink and dunk only team. They need more firepower to strike quickly when needed. They need to be multi-dimensional so teams don't double-cover Kelce and Maclin. You could take a receiver in round 3 and wait for him to develop for two years, or you can take a much better one in the first and get immediate production.
I like Conley, but I see him as more of a straight line player. A guy you put in as a number 3 to stretch the field from time to time, much like Reid did with Riley Cooper. I want that DeSean Jackson type that will keep defenses honest immediately.
I'm really sick and ****ing tired of watching this franchise draft fatass after fatass in the first round while ignoring critical skill positions when they are more than necessary. Dorsey did a great job selecting Peters last year and they were fortunate he fell. Hell, when the Chiefs draft receivers in round 1, they take fatasses there too. Quickness and speed really matter. I will say though, if the Chiefs do take a fatass, I want it to be D-Line in this draft.
Drafting a Right Tackle in round 1 is not a theory I'm very high on. It's an absolutely stupid move in my book. I'd never draft a right tackle over playmakers on either side of the ball. If the guy isn't touching the ball on offense, stopping the guys that do on defense, or protecting my QB from blind-side hits, I'm not taking him in round 1. That means no guards, no centers, no right tackles. Do I agree that this team needs help on the offensive line? Absolutely. I've had at least 2 being picked up in some fashion in every edition of this hypothetical "offseason plan" I've put out to date (or at least as much as I remember). I'm not at all opposed to the Chiefs spending multiple picks in the 2nd-5th round range on offensive lineman. I'll talk some more about the tackles.
I have the following rated as first round tackles, because they all appear to have what it takes to man the left tackles spot in the NFL:
- Laremy Tunsil - Ole Miss (top 5)
- Ronnie Stanley - Notre Dame (top 5-7)
- Taylor Decker - Ohio State (top 20, projects well to RT as well)
- Jason Spriggs - Indiana (20-30)
- Jack Conklin - Michigan State (20-30, projects well to RT as well)
I have the following rated as right tackles only (draft rd):
- Shon Coleman - Auburn (2)
- Kyle Murphy - Stanford (3)
- Pearce Slater - San Diego State (4-5)
- Cole Toner - Harvard (5-6)
- John Theus - Georgia (5-6)
- Alex Lewis - Nebraska (6-7)
I have the following as developmental left tackles (draft rd):
- Willie Beavers - Western Michigan (2-3, projects well to RT as well)
- Joe Haeg - North Dakota State (3-4)
- Tyler Johnstone - Oregon (4-5)
I have the following listed tackles fitting as guards only in the NFL (draft round):
- Germain Ifedi - Texas A&M (1-2)
- Jerald Hawkins - LSU (2-3)
- Avery Young - Auburn (4-5)
I think that if I'm targeting a tackle in this draft early on, I'm looking at Willie Beavers at the end of round 2. He has good movement and great size as well as the type of ability that could make him a very solid player at right tackle. He sports that big, thick lower half with a bubble ass paired with good power that you look for in a rock at right tackle, but he has enough athleticism to swing to the left in a pinch.
I also don't believe this team
needs to draft a CB in round 1 when you have a 1st round pick (Peters) and two 3rd round picks (Gaines & Nelson) all on the roster already. Would I grab one on day 1 or 2? I might, if the right one falls. I think this is a position that has starting talent and needs added depth. Looking at Day 1 and day 2, Eli Apple is a consideration if there in round 1. William Jackson III, Artie Burns, and Deiondre Hall are considerations in round 2. I think Eric Murray, D.J. White, and Maurice Canady are guys I'd look at in round 3 or 4 and lean towards 4 with the latter two.
What is everyone's fascination with ILB? Yes, if a good one falls into the Chiefs laps I'd most definitely consider it. If a guy like Myles Jack, Darron Lee, Jaylon Smith or Reggie Ragland drops in the first, then I'd absolutely have to take a long, hard look. The only "no brainer" for me is Jaylon Smith. Scooby Wright in the 2nd or 3rd, maybe, but I see him as a better pass-rushing version of Mauga. Other than those guys, I don't see much advantage out there over what the Chiefs got last year. The Chiefs picked up 3 ILBs a year ago in Wilson (Rd 4), Alexander (Rd 5), and March (UDFA). These players need to develop, and are doing just that behind veterans Johnson and Mauga. I really liked that March kid before he got injured and he could end up being a real steal. I like Deion Jones (LSU) in the 3rd, but he's very much the same type of linebacker the Chiefs picked up last year x3.
If I took WR out of the first round, I'd likely take advantage of the plethora of talent along the defensive front in this draft.