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Old 06-26-2016, 11:19 AM   #49
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Anyone in here who thinks that Johnny's parenting was the decisive element in his becoming a complete douche-bag narcissist, has a poor understanding of both parenting and human development. It's a complex confluence of nature, nurture, life experience, peer interactions, and a real bitch called free will. Genetics and parenting play a big role, especially early; however, life, friends, and personal choices hold much greater sway once kids head into high school and beyond. People who work with children and young adults understand that simple truth. People who suggest otherwise, are simply ignorant. Great parents can produce absolute dregs of society; likewise, some kids are able to thrive despite a shitty hand they are dealt. I see it every single day.

None of us know the details of Johnny's formative years, or the circumstances that have led him down this self-destructive path. I think it's safe to say his father knows him better than any windbags on a discussion board. I'll defer to his judgment that tough love may be the last best option to wake-up his kid. He may be right, or he may be wrong. In the end though, it's Johnny, not his dad, who will be the one to either figure things out--or not.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud View Post
The same can be said for Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, John Elway, LeBron James and any number of mega-talented athletes.

The difference is parenting and family. Manziel, unlike those mentioned, bought into the hype and adulation. The trouble usually begins when one begins to believe their own press clippings.

If a person doesn't respect their parents, siblings or any person of authority in their life, it's difficult to respect ones self.
None of what you say here refutes the notion that this is much, much more on Johnny himself, than anything to do with parenting. As your own children reach adulthood, you will learn this yourself. Parents are like Presidents; they get much more blame for things, and much more credit for things....than they ever really deserve.
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