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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
I haven't made it through this thread because damn it got long in a hurry.
But ultimately I'm at a C+ at best on this movie. And the more of pondered on it, the less I've liked it. I'm sure any particular quibble I have has been discussed to this point so I have very little new to add there.
But the serious, major takeaway I had from this movie is simple - they just turned the Original Trilogy into a prequel for this trilogy. That's it. That is the height of hubris and raw arrogance by Disney/Johnson, IMO.
"Y'know that beloved set of movies? The movies that were so well received by fans that this particular series exists in the first place? **** 'em. We got our own stuff to do here..."
It's an obvious, conscious decision by Disney and Johnson. It's an attempt to re-boot without re-booting and rather than actually closing a loop, they just discarded its remnants so they could limp this thing along for another 20 years and make a boatload of money out of it. And they did it using the energy created by the thing they chose to discard.
The rest of the quibbles over the particular plot devices are going to deal with the whole 'It's space wizards, lighten up' argument. But taking the thing that made all this possible and treating it as a second class citizen so you can forge your own path...just not a fan at all.
Empire - New Hope - Rogue 1 -- TFA - Jedi --- TLJ ------- Sith --- shit
I just don't feel any real need to re-watch this movie and have absolutely no enthusiasm for the next installment. And that's without any real preconceived notion as to where this movie should have gone.
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That's why I said in my extended lament about this film that, "The challenge these writers were presented with was to grow the universe and present new, compelling stories. Good writers can accomplish that without sacrificing the meaning of the preceding stories in the process. Bad writers can't."
As you point out, they turned the entire OT into fodder instead of building upon it.
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