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Originally Posted by BWillie
Now that I have your attention. He's much more elusive than that. I looked up every 40 yard dash, 10 yard split, 20 yard split, 20-yard shuttle, and 3-cone times of QBs I could find. At least of the QBs not old, about burnt out and over 36 years old (I looked the 30 or so Top QBs under 37)
If there is anything that I think is over valued it's the 40 yard dash, at least in any position other than wide receiver & kick returner. Wouldn't short burst quickness & agility measurables be the best way to evaluate football speed?
One thing I noticed about Patrick Mahomes is he's virtually average to slightly below average in 40 yard & 20 yard straight line speed.
BUT - he's absolutely the quickest and most agile of ANY quarterback except for maybe Lamar Jackson (who for some reason didn't run at the combine). When you start talking about the 20-yard shuttle and the 3-cone drill he is elite. His change-of-direction agility is off the charts.
He has the FASTEST 20-yard shuttle time of 4.08 of any QB in the league. He has the SECOND fastest 3-cone drill out of all of the QBs.
Both of these tests he was faster than Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott, Deshaun Watson, Cam Newton, Mitch Tribisky, Josh Allen, Marcus Mariota. I'm not even naming the slow guys.
Carson Wentz believe it or not is the closest comp to Mahomes in terms of agility & quickness, but Mahomes has him at 4.08 vs 4.15 in the 20-yard shuttle.
TOP QBs in 20-yard shuttle
Patrick Mahomes
Russell Wilson
Marcus Mariota
Drew Lock
Carson Wentz
Cam Newton
TOP QBs in 3-cone drill
Patrick Mahomes/Carson Wentz/Mitch Trubisky (all within 0.01 of each other)
Marcus Mariota
Josh Allen
Cam Newton
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Great post. And not one bit surprising. One thing that popped out at me Oakland vs kc in the tornado wind was mahomes' quick burst. That was something that just wasn't the same from Jacksonville injury to the bye week. We didn't realize how good it was until it was missing.
I mentioned in another thread that not a lot is said about mahomes playing high school basketball. To me, he runs like a point guard. There's no tackling in basketball. And mahomes has a lot of really subtle moves and quick bursts to dodge defenders instead of going through them. You don't see him juking or stutter stepping a lot like lamar.