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Originally Posted by kccrow
Denzel Ward is one of the better corners in the NFL, I'd say he absolutely didn't whiff on that one.
A lot of teams weren't all-in on Josh Allen, he had some major warts coming out. From a pure passing standpoint, the two have produced similarly. Allen's running is what's actually set him apart. Allen is still Jekyl and Hyde when it comes to passing performances but he's improving much more than Baker has. So, do you fault Dorsey? I think only in hindsight. I also think coaching has a lot to do with Baker not developing as well, and that is also on Dorsey to an extent.
Dorsey though, he's the type of guy you really want in a role as a Director of College Scouting or even of Player Personnel (he's good at picking through other teams' trash). I think you put other guys with him that are really good at their roles and a competent GM and it's fuel for something great. I think he's in the right role in Detroit but Detroit has issues elsewhere that doesn't help.
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Denzel Ward was great his rookie season. Since then he has been 'meh'. Yes, I realize he made the Pro Bowl this year, but so did Frank Clark. His ONLY impact play this year was a 99 yard pick 6 of Joe Burrow. That is what put him in the Pro Bowl, nothing more.
As far as Allen goes, all 4 of the QB's (Baker, Allen, Darnold and Rosen) were held up together as Top 10 picks. It was just a matter of picking the right one. John Dorsey picked wrong. If people are gonna roast the Bears for picking Trubisky over Mahomes, they need to be willing to do the same for the Browns going with Baker. He was basically picked for his 'moxy', not his physical skills and traits. That's a pretty big mistake by a GM who supposedly made his hay as a scout. As far as faulting Dorsey, I'm only faulting Dorsey for making the pick because (some) people are sucking his dick over picking Kelce, Hill and Mahomes, as if he did it in a vacuum and should receive all the credit for it. I don't agree with that, obviously, but if that is the position some are going to take, then they need to be equally willing to roast him for his decisions on TWO Top 5 picks in the same draft. Again, he could have had Allen and Derwin James, but went with Baker and Ward.
And, for the record, the whole discussion originated from BR seeming to suggest Veach was a failure for picking Hardman over DK, while singing John Dorsey's praises, and failing to address his picking Baker and Ward over Allen and James. Neither GM's picks were a 'bust', as Hardman has been a solid NFL player, while Baker has been an okay QB at times and Ward has been an above average to good DB.
Would the Chiefs have been better off if Veach picked DK over Mecole Hardman? Of course. But imagine the Browns today if Dorsey had selected Josh Allen and Derwin James with his first 2 picks instead of Baker Mayfield and Denzel Ward. Scary thought.