[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The whole... "well they couldn't just trash it for tax purposes they need to try and make some money off of it" ... really blew up in their face huh?

They've been trying to do a Flash movie since the 80's... and this is what they put out...

a movie that was plagued with backstage drama and a lead actor who committed multiple bizare headline making crimes... rushed cameos cause they had no faith in the actual story... really dodgy cgi for a movie that was going to live or die on that... being based on Flashpoint itself which is not a particularly fondly remembered story... AND is completely unearned.... AND makes itself redundant by the end...

I also don't understand DC's obsession with the flashpoint story. The first movie about this character should not be ****ing flashpoint..flashpoint is dark and dire with no hope which means for that to impact at all you need the world to be bright and happy beforehand. Having flashpoint literally follow the Snyder movies does nothing because dark and dire is his entire universe.

It was an utterly stupid plan from day 1.

There's so much I disagree with here.

1. The movie has been ****ed for the past year + because of all the shit that Miller's done and they were in a lose-lose situation. Either move forward with Miller but not spend a shit ton in publicizing while risking not being break-even, re-cast Flash altogether, or not release the movie at all. I think WB did the best they could given the situation.

2. The movie was basically DOA when Gunn took over. The initial ending is not what was shown in theaters:

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Gadot and Keaton were supposed to be at the trial at the end in addition to Cavill's cameos being scrapped.

That basically leaves a Frankenstein monster where Muschietti has to end the DCEU while also leaving some room for Aquaman 2 (which I don't understand because chronologically Aquaman 2 should be before Flashpoint in terms continuity + interest, but whatever).

3. WTF do you mean it's not a fondly remembered story? The criticism with Flashpoint has more to do with what DC wrote after it-The New 52-not the story itself.

4. I completely disagree here. What should a Flash movie be given the context?
Batfleck was already announced as not being a thing before shooting, Cavill was announced as not being Superman in the future, and Jenkins not proposed WW3 being canceled because of WW84. Quite literally, they had no choice but to do Flashpoint.

I understand DC gets a lot of criticism (much of it deserved), but this movie doesn't deserve it. Yes, the CGI is shoddy at spots, but I think the plot + story was good and attempted to be faithful to the original lore and source material while providing fan service, unlike say, Rise of Skywalker.

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

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I've always loved the Flash's story, it's the closest thing DC has to Spiderman, and they're very similar in alot of ways. But Barry Allen's story is great, that no matter how fast he can run, he can't escape his origin. He tries to change it, but it backfires horribly and he has to learn that he can't save everyone. It's such a great way to send that message that this movie was enjoyable in so many ways.

The only disappointing part of it, is that it leads to nowhere in James Gunns' universe now, especially with these box office numbers. If the movie made $150 million just in domestic this weekend, then maybe you could see Ezra come back if he kept clean and stopped being Ezra, but they kinda wasted Flashpoint in this movie. They did it well enough, bringing in Keaton, substituting Supergirl in for Superman, but the rest of the cast is just not there. There's no Aquaman in the main movie, no Wonder Woman besides for a laugh cameo, they didn't end it like the original story ended it, didn't introduce Thomas Wayne, didn't introduce the Reverse Flash which was probably a better move so they could showcase him with the next round of DCU superheroes, but still takes away the conflict and the antagonist from the movie and replaces it with a rehash of Zod's arrival on Earth.

At no point do I believe the iteration they present in the end of this movie will come back in another movie. I hope they bring back Sasha Calle as Supergirl though, she was really well done, so if you're going to take one of the characters and flesh out her origins in another dimension then I would hope it's her, but Ezra, Gal Gadot, Batfleck, or the other cameos, they're stuck in that timeline and won't get any more movies dedicated to them. Just cameo's in Gunn's universe, or Crisis on Infinite Earths, if they do that storyline. The Flashpoint storyline was just kinda wasted as an X-Men 3 the Last Stand way with the Phoenix Saga. Just hope when they redo it it's not a another movie that doesn't do it justice and it ends up being X-Men 3 the Last Stand followed by Dark Phoenix, and we're still waiting on a good version of the storyline. This movie was alot better than X-Men 3, but I couldn't escape that feeling after having watched it.

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There was no way they were going to a 100% copy of the comic storyline. Why introduce Thomas Wayne in a universe that is going nowhere? Keaton was brought in to also tie in with Batgirl, which was canceled, and I thought his character did a good job at replacing Thomas Wayne from the original story.

I would like to see Calle's Supergirl in the new universe, but given her movie was canceled, I find it unlikely. I think Mamoa's Aquaman could be in the new one since Barry mentions how Arthur is in every timeline (even as a dog) but not sure it would make sense to continue in that role.

And Gadot's WW has been so terribly mishandled in this entire universe aside from the first WW movie that I don't see any benefit of having her in the universe unless they do more than beyond giving her cameos or brief scenes.