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Old 01-20-2006, 12:27 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Simplex3
1. And you, like the rest of the "OMG CRISIS X IS GOING TO KILL US ALL!!!", are overreacting to a minimal amount of data.

2. The Earth underwent drastic climate changes long before humans. See "ice ages" and "topical ages". You idiots are basing your findings on about 50 years of solid meteorlogical data which doesn't show up as a speck in a gnat turd on the geological timescale.

3. This might strike home:
Yes it is true the earth underwent drastic climate changes long before humans. We are in an ice age chap. In the Interglacial period within an ice age. That is why people in the 1970's were thinking we would be heading back to glacial building period of this ice age. So that is when they started looking at the data. Yep since the time of Christ the temperatures have been coming down expcept they started going back up in the second half of the 20th century.

It is against this expectation of a ice age regime that we find escalating temperatures. I have said in the past that some Global Warming is better than another ice age period. So I am not looking to stop all COtwo production. But we are escalating the process. We have produced more COtwo in the last 30 years than all the rest of mankinds existence. 150 times the amount produced by volcanoes EACH YEAR. That is exponential growth. We are being radical in our actions by assuming we can dump the garbage into the atmosphere and it will just drift away.

You want to be a conservative but you are willing to ignore the gross manner in which we have decided to support the oil dominated energy paradigm. I am not a luddite and want to live off just berries. But that is what I see we are heading for (along with a lot of killing for the few berries) if we IGNORE the determinations. Moderation not expansion is what I am talking about.

You wave around facts of prehistoric time as if they are more sound then the fact that last year was the hottest temperature average EVER. And this trend has been repeated over the last 10 years. Glaciers have been melting. Nowhere in the world are they building. NOWHERE. Where is the evidence to the contrary that temperatures are lowering.

You live in the middle ages. You think your words are more important in influencing the weather than the rise in temperature. And you dismiss science that the relationship of greenhouse gases and rise in temperatures are fact. If this is wrong come forward with the process that allows for increase of greenhouse gases and lower temperatures. Give me the evidence that temperatures are falling.

Energy drives the weather system. More energy drives more weather. And that means more severe weather events. Longer dry spells, when it rains it rains heavier, more or stronger weather patterns and melting of existing ice.

I am seeking moderation of the gluttony that we have practiced these last 40 years. Not complete shutdown.
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