[OnTheWarpath15]

This may come as a newsflash, but some of us that are "bitching and moaning" are simply upset about incompetent refs.

I don't give a shit about who won. I also don't think the refs lost the game for Seattle (Holmgren's play-calling did that).

Then we agree. My views are/were directed at the whiners who couldn't see past the poor officiating and see that Seattle had plenty of opportunities to win the game anyway, but would rather make excuses.

But I do think it's bullshit that any team ever has to overcome poor officiating as part of the path to a win. I also think a better officiated game would have given Seattle a better chance to win the game.

Don't disagree there either. Poor officiating didn't just rear it's ugly head last night, it's been a problem all year long. The Chiefs were "victims" on countless occcasions. They couldn't overcome it. Pittsburgh did against Indy on the road. Championship caliber teams find a way to win in the face of adversity.

The fact that you've written off poor officiating as just part of NFL football is pathetic IMO. The fact that you think everyone else should approach it with the same apathy as you is just plain reeruned.

Way off the mark. I was simply suggesting that instead of crying about it, to be proactive and try to do something about it. I don't like it either, but as a fan, there's not a whole lot we can do about it. The NFL isn't going to cancel the parade in Pittsburgh tomorrow and ship the Lombardi trophy to Seattle. What's done is done. It's easy to just complain...ask someone to offer a solution, and the room goes silent.

And before you tell me to stop watching football if I don't like it, I suggest you stop opening threads full of bitching and moaning if you don't like it.

I don't believe I ever said "jspchief, stop watching football if you don't like it." That debate was between htismaqe and myself.

Just what this place needed, another clueless asshole who's opinion is more important than anyone else's.

Whatever you say, boss.