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Old 06-26-2006, 03:15 PM   #197
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Originally Posted by FringeNC
Everyone who has ever had a class in economics knows that a minumim wage reduces employment. That argument aside, even if you don't care about the reduction in employment, why would the minimum wage be at the federal level than the state level? First off, wages very across the country. Secondly, it may be popular in some states -- if they want to enact such idiocy, let them. Why try impose to it on everyone? If Massachusetts, Rhode Island, or NY wants a $50 min wage, let them try it...

Maybe we can reduce illegal immigration if we just convince Mexico to institute a high min. wage, right? That's the only reason they're not rich, right? They lack progressive legislation.

Yes, there are poor people. I just don't see who liberals have anything to add to the debate about it, though. People are poor because for behavioral reasons. The key to reducing poverty is changing the behavior of the underclass. And I'm not saying they are necessarily morally culpable for their behavior; that doesn't matter one way or another. Somehow changing the attitude among the black youth that doing well is school doesn't make you a sell-out "Uncle Tom" and crap like that is the key. The black ghetto culture is one of the major problems, as well as terrible inner-city schools (despite massive funding, they still are a joke).

I'm just so sick of liberals trying to claim the moral high ground with policies such as the min wage which make the poor worse off. If you care about the poor, how about look at the "root causes"?
While self-determination is definitely a huge factor in someone achieving his or her personal goals, external factors cannot be completely ignored. If that were the case there would be no dictatorships or countries with great disparities between rich and poor. To suggest that everyone deserves the conditions that they've been subjected to is somewhat shortsighted, IMO.

Artificial barriers can be mandated by governments or by ruling classes. Our own history is a testament to that idea. According to some, slaves deserved to be slaves, African-Americans deserved to be second class citizens, women deserved not to have the vote, and small children deserved 15-hour days in sweat shops for pennies.

To suggest that behavior is the sole reason that some people live in poverty is just plain wrong, IMO. What is capable of happening anywhere else in this world is easily possible here. Human nature is human nature irregardless of borders.
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