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Originally Posted by Donger
I asked this question earlier. Perhaps it was answered, but I'm not going to go back through all these posts: Was this child rape a historical fact? Did what is filmed actually happen in real life?
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I don't think it's a specific "true story" of a real girl. It shouldn't be either. That just makes it seem that further away from the average movie goer. But, this type of thing DOES happen. Sexually motivated kidnappings happen all the time in this country. Molestation by family members and people known to the victim happen countless times every day. Probably one every couple of minutes in this country. My bet is you know of a half a dozen people who have been abused, and never told anybody. My bet is a half dozen on this board have been abused. It's stupidly common. Did you see the Dateline with the child predators. They caught a new one every half hour by baiting them with actors pretending to be children who invited them to their house. These guys come crawling out of the woodwork as soon as you sound the horn.
Why do these people exist? How come so few people know how bad the problem is? What are we going to do about? What is societies role in protecting children? These are very important questions, and if a movie puts the problem under a microscope and makes people think about it, the way movies for the past few generations have made us think about race relations and war, then I think it's a great idea.
But, I repeat, again... "UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES IS IT COOL TO JEOPORDIZE THE HEALTH AND WELL BEING OF ANY ACTOR OR ACTRESS FOR THE PURPOSE OF A ROLE." This goes for 12 year olds who are playing parts that are deemed dangerous because of their content, or 35 year olds who are in an action movie and have to jump from a train. Every precaution must be made that the actor both feels and actually is safe. But, that doesn't mean that 12 year olds should be banned from taking on mature roles, nor does it mean that actors should never jump from trains in movies. It just means that every precaution needs to be taken to ensure that actor is safe.
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--This isn't a religious debate and it's really not a porn vs. nudity debate. It's the fact that she's a 12 year old girl.
--I think people would still hold the opinions they hold if it was full out nudity with simulated hip movement.... but I guess we'll have to see.
--I reacted so negatively because of my love for my kids and all kids. It has nothing to do with religion or being a prude-it is because it is morally wrong.
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--WHAT about her being a 12 year old girl? Is it her maturity level? Or simply what year she was born? Are you worried for her safety? Are you worried for her mental well being? "It's just wrong" isn't the reason the laws against child porn were invented. Nor is that the reason for age of consent laws. Nor is that the reason for any law. Tell me why this movie is or should be breaking laws. If you believe that 12 year olds just SHOULDN'T be involved in anything that deals with these types of mature issues, then you're making a MORAL argument. Where do you get your morals? Religion? Philosophy? Parents? Either way, I don't believe it's acceptable for us to assume that our morals are infallible, or that others are flawed without a logical argument as to why.
--I think the scene you are describing would go beyond the reasonable limits of good taste, and would probably start to qualify as real life child porn. I SERIOUSLY doubt what you are describing is anything like what we'll see. Have you seen Mystic River? I think it'll be more like that. Perhaps she will be bare chested. But if the scene looks at all like it could be on Showtime (where sure there isn't penetration but it sure as hell isn't for the sake of the plot) then this film has overstepped the lines, and I'd be pretty upset.
--Nothing to with religion? Ok, so where did you get that moral absolute that it is wrong for a 12 year old portray adult themes in a movie? I'm not disagreeing with the morality of child rape... Obviously, rape is wrong, period. Sex with a 12 year old is wrong, period... But how is playing a kid in a movie who is being sexually molested and tortured even a question of morality? What is your moral standard, and why should it be forced upon the rest of the world by law?