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Originally Posted by chiefsfan1963

Given that DV was not here this past off season, you can't predict which players he would or wouldn't have drafted. Also CP would have had input so Hali probably would have been drafted and potential the other rookies that made the roster as well.

You can shoot all the conjecture you want about who we would have drafted, but the fact remains that none of them would have seen the field. Vermeil did not play rookies. Period. So even if he was on the roster, Hali would not have started; Hicks would have. Page wouldn't have been playing for Knight or in the nickel packages. Odds are he wouldn't have even made the roster, as a 7th round pick.

Law would have also been pursued and acquired given our prospects in being a playoff team.

I'm not sure how you can say that. Law came primarily because Herm was here, from everything I've seen.

Lenny Walls would not have been here, certainly. Because his biggest fan, David Gibbs wouldn't have been coaching here. And make no mistake, he was a big part of today's game.

The D was a work in progress and DV was big part of it.

Now that he and AS are gone all their naysayers are coming out claiming the D is great now they are gone. Not fair.

It's not about Vermeil being gone, it's about Vermeil's pack of Robinson leftover defensive coaches being gone. We have a new LB coach, Don Blackmon. We have a new DL coach, Tim Krumrie. Again, David Gibbs is the new DB coach.

That's the reason things have changed, as much or even more than Herm's arrival and imput on defense. All the stooges are gone.

I'm happy the D is finally turned the corner, but don't give all the credit to Herm. Give his DV some credit for leaving some kind of solid base to work from.

You sound like Proctor about 5 years ago saying the success of our fancy new offense was all due to Gunther.

It was as reeruned then as it is now.

Unfortunately, DV and AS left with our O's keys and we can't get it out of the garage.

If DV/AS were still here we would be 2-0 going into our bye week.

We've gone from the realm of discussion to fantasyland now. You realize that Vermeil never won a game in Denver? Ever? With any team, here or elsewhere?