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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I have to argue with the defense not being the problem. The MAJORITY of the draft choices, during DVs tenure, went to the defense. In fact, DV wanted a defensive player when LJ was picked. Free agent, after free agent has been signed to the defense. DCs have been changed, if you believe Gunther is a DC. Too many of the teams assets, both financial and time spent, were needed to keep the D from being the laughing stock.
Meantime, the offense has to be neglected, because of all the assets being deverted to the D.
Dick Vermeil stated the offense needed to help the defense, but he had earned the right to say that. He had assembled these guys and earned their respect.

I do think the defense had problems. I wasn't meaning to say the D was fine and the O was the problem. I should have worded my statement differently. I was trying to point out that while we hired Herm to fix the defense, we had growing problems on the offense that prevented Herm from being able to just leave the offense alone. My point was that even if he wanted to leave the O alone, DV's lack of quality young backups had already hindered the OLine to the point that the Circus O was bound to stumble. Herm walked right into the trap saying he wasn't going to change anything, when in fact he should have realized that the offense was at a point where it had to change whether he wanted it to or not. And I know DV tried to fix the D through drafting/FA/new coaches.... he was just terrible at it. And those failures further contributed to the offensive neglect, making Herm's stance even more difficult.

Originally Posted by HemiEd

The second interview I heard Herm Edwards give, he said the Offense needed to help the defense more. He said there were things they could do better to help the defense. Willie's retirement, came shortly after that.
Herm had not earned the leadership position and respect yet, to pull that off.
I am no football expert, but I have watched a lot of Chiefs games, if the offense can score in 7 seconds, take it! I know the defense needs a break, but you can't throttle the offense.
Oh darn, I have this open TD play, but it is too early so I will wait?

I can't say for certain why Roaf retired. Personally I don't think it had anything to do with Edwards. If Roaf had been able to stay and give 90%, we probably wouldn't be criticizing Herm in the same regard. But I honestly don't think Herm is against scoring points. He's trying very hard to change the mindset that you have to score in 7 seconds, or that you have to score 21 points. A mindset so different from DV's score score score attitude that people can't seem to wrap their brain around it. Herm wants to score points. He just wants to score them in a slower, more organized manner.

Originally Posted by HemiEd

It may not have worked, but it would make more sense to free up your QB with the ability to respond to the chaos, instead of inhibiting him further. He was a veteran, that had shown the ability to make some plays extemporaniously. It got so ugly at the end though, I was thrilled to see him gone. I had no idea he would turn into a whiny bitch. His character had totally changed from being "the Man" of the Chiefs, to a whiner.
I hope I am totally wrong and they both go to the HOF for what they accomplish here, but the tea leaves aren't showing that yet. Herm should not even be involved in the offensive game planning.

I actually agree with this. But Green's confidence and ability to run the offense could not overcome several things in making that happen. Namely: Herm's conservative approach, Solari's inexperience, and the OLine's ineptitude. The odd man out was Trent. Instead of molding our offense around Trent's abilities, we tried to force Trent into an offensive style that didn't fit any of his qualities... forcing the square peg into the round hole. Which is the point of this thread. Trent's a talented QB, but he could never excel in this type of offense.

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I don't, why is he still here? Haven't we have cut better WRs recently?

That is one question that still baffles me.... With all the talk about youth and Webb/Hannon/Sippio, it totally goes against Herm's philosophy. This and the Huard situation are glaring points that have finally made me doubt Herm's true intentions....