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If we want to use stats as the argument take Palmer's last 2 full seasons. I didn't put him in the top 10 due to injury and I've seen Jason and Hootie both bag on him his stats are off the damn board.
It's like moving the goal posts "well he has stats but doesn't win" "oh he won well hell what else" I don't think anyone thinks Carson Palmer is why the Bengals don't win. In contract they went from being a general 6-8 win team with him to being an abomination without him.
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