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Originally Posted by H5N1
see, that's where I'll disagree with you. are vocals the whole picture? absolutely not. but you put a guy like dio in front of sabbath and you have what some people consider metal. without him and with ozzy, you don't have metal. rage against the machine is listed in most music catalogs (eh, I disagree and put this down to the fact that they're hard to categorize) as metal. audioslave is not. difference? zack de la rocha vs. chris cornell.
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Black Sabbath with Ozzy and Black Sabbath with Dio are both metal as ****. Rage doesn't have a single song that is composed as a metal song. Its rock composition all the way.
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Originally Posted by H5N1
vocals are absolutely important in genre determination. hell, metal as a genre is predicated (in my eyes) on several things: intense, driving guitar work and a vocalist that can sell the product. now, is that metal at its purest? likely not--that's metal that will sell and metal most people will know about. some of the best metal of all-time is by rare artists that most guys (like myself) have never heard about. sure, they'll make an appearance on headbanger's ball if they're lucky--but most don't. do most guys know anything about mastadon other than 'march of the fire ants?' probably not. but mastadon, back in the day, was the SHIT.
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Mastodon was the shit then and is still the shit now. They've gotten more progressive, sure, but I like that sort of thing.