[crazycoffey]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

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morning all. can't stay long, gotta go pick a fight somewhere else today....

Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey
If I'm mindlessly backing a badge, you are naive to the world around you, but different opinions are what makes this place so awesome, it would be cool if we could have a grown up discussion without the insane sarcasm and insults. Did that for quite some time; was informed that being a lawyer meant I presume to be omniscient; decided you could blow meI know it's hard enough for lawyers to hear sarcasm, let alone read it, but that was a joke, you stated you wanted an officer to say he'd still go in the backyard, I said I've been a cop and I would, cops and lawyers have a speckled relationship, when you let on I thought that funny response, sorry I left off a stupid smilie,

You said from the beginning to now, that a crime wasn't going on. you know this how? from hindsight. because you know now that it was only a potato gun and no one was injured anywhere for any reason. The officer also knew there was a potato gun, according to him. He also claimed to be able to see well enough into the yard to determine that there was a potato gun there and yet heard no signs of a struggle, saw no signs of a struggle and surely didn't see anyone injured.try to understand, the presence of a potato gun doesn't devalue the original call, since it there still could be a gun fired in a yard that contains a potato gun. For some reason, you keep thinking this is the tell tale sign that the officer knew nothing was really wrong but decided to proceed anyway.

Fact - call to police that gunshots were heard. -- YupLook closely CP, a lawyer and a knuckle headed cop can agree on some things, doesn't happen often enough. (better)
Fact - Officer responds and tries to figure out what is going on. for the moment he is fine.Lawyer speak for, I'll placate you for now on this fact, but bring it up again later when I want it to mean some else. no smilie this time....
Fact - He can enter a backyard, front yard, alley, sidewalk, knock on doors to accomplish that.
Fact - you don't like that the officer can do that, because you think it's an invasion of the constitution. without an exigency, it is; there is no carte blanche investigatory authority and that is why we have warrantsThe exigency is the call of gunfire, in a rough county (other people's words, not mine) and if the officer walks away right now and someone was hurt somewhere in or near the house, you'd be frying him for not going in. He is still in the right to go to the backyard to make contact with the owner and see what can be seen. Could he do it without the fence? Are saying the fence is the way people can keep the cops off their lawns? (Skippy?)

Fact - you can believe that all you want, and I can tell you the officer was in his right authority to go in the back yard and you will still tell me I'm wrong. and have provided backing for this. I've also provided the rationale the officer will use to get around it (he thought it was an emergency); you're taking him at face value whereas I am not. I'm basing it on his behavior, you're basing it on what appears to be no more than faith in a fellow officer. I am backing the rights of an officer to do his job, and I'm not telling you his rationale, because I don't know what he was thinking, I'm not a lawyer. I'm taking the situation at face value, where you through in presumptions to collaborate your agenda. That is my opinion at this time. I've said all along I don't agree or disagree with his actions. There are only a few ways this call could be answered and this department did it this way. Personally, shots fired or not, I don't have a problem with getting a car in front and a car in back waiting for a few people to show up for backup and walking right up to the front door, tell the person that answered we heard that shots were fired there and want to look around to see if anyone is hurt. He says it was a potato gun, I still ask if I can look, he says yes, simple report and I'm back on the street, he says no, I ask for a warrant and watch the front and back until I got it, but I was a Cop in the Dallas area, and feel like I've got a different approach. I'm just saying I don't know any reason for this call, that he can't go in the backyard.

Fact - I can not say I would have done anything this officer did in that situation, I can also not say with complete certainty that I wouldn't have either. And that means I'm backing the badge, just because I've worn one? Without my own independent thought, I have my head in the sand? Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But you seem pretty happy just saying he thought this was an emergency situation without examining his conduct and whether or not he's just making it up as he goes to cover his own tail making it up as he goes along? you watch too many movies. yes he's human and humans are prone to making mistakes, errors in judgement and in this case, a bloodlust for killing innocent pitbulls. Good thing lawyers aren't human, they aren't prone to such miscalculations. (do I really need a smilie here?)

well then, **** you. It's 130 in the morning, I gotta get up in a few hours and get ready to go back into the depths of hell, smile at the devil and hope nothing bad happens. Enjoy your freedom to be a dick. Peace CP.....If you need me to, I can pull those nails out whenever you get tired of hanging from that cross sorry bad few days, saw some things I don't think anyone should ever have to see, seen bad before, but never felt so god damn useless and it effecting my demeanor. Another human frailty I suppose.