Originally Posted by Jim Jones
So how do you explain ranking Fedor in your top 5 after he just tapped out? Apparently in your world, tapping out early in a fight is more impressive than a come from behind win? Not sure I understand that logic.
I also think it's funny how you crucify Silva for his most recent fight, but then go and use Shogun fights from five years ago to defend putting him above Silva. Here's what we know about Shogun's recent body of work - he got tooled by Forrest Griffin and beat up on washed up Chuck Lidell and even more washed up Mark Coleman. Impressive, eh? Now the two fights with Machida ARE impressive and he's certainly worthy of being ranked as one of the top fighters in the world, but looking at that resume and then telling me that he's been more dominant than Silva is laughable at best. Almost as laughable as ranking Jon Jones as one of the top 5 pound-for-pound fighters, and ABOVE ANDERSON SILVA. Are you kidding me? He's a great prospect, but let him accomplish something first before you crown his ass.
Sonnen fought the perfect fight and Silva had an off night, whether it was the ribs or something else, who knows. But a win is a win and Silva showed what an amazing fighter he really is by hanging in there, withstanding the punishment and finding a way to pull out the victory. Was it his best performance? No, but the logic that an ugly win drops him below guys who have had much uglier LOSSES in recent memory is completely ridiculous.
Because Fedor has only 1 career loss and he didn't get dominated for nearly 5 rounds of a fight only to pull one out of his ass at the end. I don't think he is the same dude he was 5 years ago, but he still should be considered a P4P elite.
Shogun has a great resume. 2 Wins over Overeem, a win over a prime Rampage, Little Nog, Arona, etc.... He obviously wasn't the same guy when he first showed up in UFC that he was in Pride. He is also fighting in a much more difficult weight class. Silva fights at the weakest weight class in MMA, probably because he knows he would get his ass handed to him against the elite LH's.
If it had been a close fight throughout then yeah, I say great fight great win, but to get dominated for 23 minutes and then pull one out your ass is less then impressive. Sonnen is obviously the better fighter despite the outcome. I don't know what the hell got into him that has made him improve so much in the year or so, but right now he is the top 185lber in the world in my eyes. He dominated Marquardt, Miller, Okaimi, and Silva in his last 4 fights. Maybe Shields, I don't know.
Jones has destroyed every guy put in front of him so far and I would say Hamill and Vera are both top 15 LHW's in the world. Neither had a chance against the guy. I'm really not sure what the hold up is on him. Then need a fight with him against Machida, Franklin, or Thiago Silva for a shot at Shogun once he puts Rashad to sleep. Although a 3rd Machida-Shogun fight would be worthless since Shogun beat him twice already.