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Old 02-02-2011, 07:03 PM   #57
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And Arizonans have representatives in Congress whom they elected to represent them. If they don't like what their representatives are doing, get rid of them at the next election.

In other words, right now, the government IS deriving its just powers from the consent of the governed.
They still have a NATURAL right to secede and the notes from the Constitutional Convention show that the Framers intended the union to be voluntary. They even discussed the use of force if a state wanted to leave and they were against it. They didn't include it anywhere did they? Nope. It was struck out. I suppose some weren't supportive of that like Hamilton. They can leave despite representation....as the south had that in their War for Southern Independence as well. In fact, as I posted here in arguments with Amnorix, the papers at the time discussed that it was voluntary as well. Many thought that even up to then. It's been since Lincoln we think we're a permanently tied national union. That's the Hamiltonianism that Lincoln set in. It's false. So instead he jailed congressmen and journalist and shut down papers for opposing him too. There's no language in the Constitution barring any state from leaving. PERIOD!
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