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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
Penny got $8 million from the Cards (I believe it was $7.5 in salary and another $500K buyout).
Williams, for a couple seasons, was more of a #2 starter. Not in the mold of Carpenter last year (i.e. an elite #2) but more of your average #2. Oh wait, he didn't strike guys out. I forgot that means he just got lucky a lot...
But there were also moves like the trade for Kile (panned by most) or the trade for Stotts (overlooked by all). Getting Stephenson for nothing then getting a couple solid seasons from him. His FA signing of Bottenfield. Hell, even things like trading for Sterling Hitchcock. He gave nothing for Sterling then wasn't so stupid as to extend him for 2 seasons afterward. Hitchcock's performance was actually very similar to Westbrook's and under very similar circumstances. Jocketty knew better than to hitch a wagon to him. He extracted value from him then discarded him.
Jocketty's great strength wasn't plucking aces from the ashes. Carpenter's story is one that happens once a decade. No, his value was extracting value from the valueless. It was knowing when to cash out on players that have served their purpose. Nor was he perfect - Kip Wells and Brett Tomko were on his watch. But his aggregate record was quite stellar. He saved us millions every season not by getting Chris Carpenter for $5 million, but by getting Kyle Lohse for $1 million.
Mozeliak is more like Carl Peterson - if he 'discovered' you or otherwise acquired you and you've been even moderately productive for him, he's going to pay you lavishly and hamstring his team.
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For Williams to be a #2 for more than a couple of years, he'd have to have more than one year for us where he pitched more than 110 innings and had an ERA under 4. I said nothing of his K rate, or Franklin's for that matter, so get over your butthurt.
WRT Penny, you're right that he made 7.5 last year. He's making 3 per this year, which, all things considered, is still astounding.
The rest of your post is a bunch of pointless choir preaching. I think my views on Mozeliak are well chronicled in the Halls of Hate, and there's no comparison between he and Jocketty, but Jocketty was also not the Midas that you've claimed him to be over the last year. For some reason, you've been trending more and more towards polar extremes lately, and I have no idea why.