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Old 09-11-2012, 12:56 PM   #21
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Because I was interested (and had missed this entire topic until seeing it in TMQ), I did some brief bit of research. I see that Paul likely just misspoke, rather than intentionally lied. The 1.4 million bankruptcies number is correct when one counts ALL bankruptcies, rather than just business bankruptcies. By inserting the word "business", he made a fairly serious error, but it was likely just an inadvertent error.
I agree, and I hadn't seen this before you posted it either so I had to do the same.

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HOWEVER, the entire statement is pretty misleading and easily blown to hell. He compares bankruptcies under Obama to Carter to argue, effectively, that THINGS ARE EVEN WORSE NOW THAN THEY WERE UNDER CARTER!!!!11 GIGGITY!!

Ignoring that bankruptcies of all types peaked in 2005 at over 2 million under George Bush. I therefore absolve him from his original crime but indict him for a different one.

Let me know if you have some fact(s) that I'm missing.
I'm sure you noticed in your research that the numbers Ryan used were both right (if you allow for the mistake about the numbers actually applying to total bankruptcies instead of business bankruptcies). What you're now criticizing him for is exactly the same kind of thing common in politics, i.e. not an outright lie, but a deception using a truth (albeit a partial one), which was why I was laughing at BRC and his belief that Ryan is some kind of unusually serious liar even for a politician.

Let's compare it to the silliness that Direckshun was regurgitating just yesterday that Obama is responsible for the largest tax cut in history. Apparently, that statement is true only if the measure of "largest" is based on number of people affected as opposed to a more natural (or at least more common) understanding, e.g. largest in terms of dollars. Ryan's deception is certainly no more notable than that creative use of the language.
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