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Old 10-01-2012, 09:19 AM   #2
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It's worth revisiting this conversation from a month or two ago.

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There is a tangible difference between supporting Israel's right to exist and supporting all of Israel's interests at the same level as our own, and even supporting them as more important than our own.
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I must have missed who says that our needs are always the same.
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AIPAC.

The Likud.

The Republican Party.

Christian conservatives.
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Sure. But they aren't always in lock-step with Israel.
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I fail to see any meaningful light between any of those four bodies and Israel. (Well, three bodies, since the Likud actually run Israel right now.)
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Then you have blinders on.
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My ears are wide open for an education.
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I'm specifically referring to the GOP. If you really believe that, I think we are done.
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You can mount a defense of the GOP, if you so wish.

I don't envy you for the task.
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I didn't make the accusation. You did. Back it up with facts or retract it.
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I can't locate a single legitimate bit of difference between the GOP's positions and the Likud's. Can you?

They both pay lip service to the two-state solution. The GOP enables the settlements that the Likud creates. Both constantly talk about Palestinian terror. Neither talk, ever, about Israeli terror. Both believe the '67 lines are now hogwash. Both ignore the effect the settlements and treatment of Gaza inflame Islamic extremism throughout the Middle East. Etc.
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That isn't what you stated.
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Those things are all evidence of the fact that the GOP and the Likud believe there is no meaningful difference between the two countries, and that the GOP will treat the interests of Israel as paramount, even if it is detrimental to our interests. That's what I claimed, you asked for evidence, there's some evidence.
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You claimed that (as an example) Likud and the GOP always want the same thing. Did you not?
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I'd say they believe the interests of Israel are either as great or greater than that of the United States. And that as a result, both parties have the same platforms on all significant issues.
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Again, that isn't what you claimed and stated.
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Sure it is. My position has never been that they are down-the-line identical, just that the few differences they do have aren't remotely important.

On anything remotely consequential, the GOP and Likud are one in the same. Occasionally to the detriment of the GOP's own country.

If I've been inarticulate or you've misunderstood me at any point in this thread, there it is. That's what I believe and what I'm arguing.
If I wasn't vindicated before, I'm vindicated now.

A Romney administration will have its Middle East policy dictated by Benjamin Netanyahu and the Likud.
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