Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
You have to trust his stuff over his peripherals.
I had a long-ass post on this very thing in the other Royals thread when you were asking what tradeable assets the Royals had...before a crybaby **** of a mod banned me and I couldn't get it posted. The exact proposal was Hosmer for Hellickson and Archer.
My position was that Hosmer has 2 years of service time and is a Borass client. Hellickson has 2 years as well. Borass won't allow his client to extend in KC before his FA period, so you're looking at having to shop him in 2 or 3 seasons anyway.
I know it sucks to have to view the world that way, but I like Myers and Moose's upside more and those are guys the Royals will have to throw a bunch of money at to extend. Can they do that AND sign Hosmer out of the FA market? It sure seems unlikely.
So why not deal him for a power-armed starter that's proven to be durable and has definite #2 starter stuff.
You argue that Hellickson outpitches his peripherals when I think there's a sound argument to be made that Hellickson's peripherals simply don't match his ability. He should be as good as his ERA indicates. His stuff absolutely allows for that. With some adjustments in his approach and refinement to his breaking stuff, he has ace-caliber upside. Better still, he has youth on his side and plenty of time to reach that upside still.
I missed that. Hellickson/Archer is a nice pairing.
Hosmer actually has 5 years of service time left, though. Which adds a bit to his value, especially for a team like the A's.
I was a HUGE Hellickson fan for a long time. In fact, during Greinke trade proposals, he was my favorite primary pitching return (Jordan Zimmermann in Washington a close second).
I'm just terrified he's a white version of Jair Jurrjens.