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Old 12-04-2012, 07:03 PM   #103
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Social Security has a $2.7 trillion surplus. That surplus is expect to last another 20 years. Of course we could extend that by raising the maximum money that is taxed but Republicans won't go for hurting the "job creators".
Like I said, SS is not paid for. We should stop waiting for crises to fix these things.

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In addition to waste, the Defense department is still being funded to fight a Cold War that no longer exists. We can no longer afford the corporate welfare to fund the military industrial complex.

Sen. Coburn (R-OK) states that excessive military overhead is $37 billion over 10 years. He also cites $9 in savings by closing PXs which I would favor with the exception of overseas bases. He also wants to close on base military schools, which I would have to worry about local schools being able to absorb without taxes from those on the base. That would also be of limited savings, only $10.7 million over a decade.
We should, and we have been, constantly reviewing our defense requirements and aligning our defense budget to meet future threats rather than those of yesteryear. Similarly, we should, and we do, continually look for ways to make our defense spending more efficient. None of that means that we can slash our defense spending just because we've made bad decisions to live beyond our means on the domestic and entitlement sides of the budget.

The potential savings that you cite above may well be worthwhile. But you should recognize that you're talking about peanuts compared to the overall defense budget. You're talking about savings of less than $5 billion per year (which is less than 1% of the budget, using your $631 billion number mentioned below). By comparison, the sequestration cuts would be something like 11% of the budget.

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Its ironic that you state using defense budget to piggy bank entitlements when Congress has been doing just the opposite for years. We cannot afford to spend $631 billion every year on defense.
No, Congress hasn't been doing the opposite. What Congress has been doing is over-spending on discretionary programs and over-promising on entitlement programs. It's time to face up to our addiction and confront it head on instead of finding another way to enable it just a little longer. Gutting defense to get another fix will only postpone the date we have with our fiscal destiny. By far the biggest fiscal problem we face are spiraling healthcare costs and their impact on entitlements. It's long past time to get serious about this and quit scapegoating our defense budget.

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Preventative care will save money in the long term. The current model is one of the reasons healthcare is so high.
Preventative care doesn't always lead to savings. If you spend $10/per person to prevent a malady that costs $500 to treat, it seems like prevention is a no-brainer. And that's how politicians will describe their proposal to prevent Disease X. But if the malady only occurs in 1 out of every 100 people, it would cost you $1000 to prevent it compared to $500 to treat it. That concept isn't well understood. There are too many people who blindly accept the idea that preventative care is always cheaper than the alternative. You seem to be one of them.
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