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Old 12-09-2012, 01:59 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by kstater View Post
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What a stupid, ****ing cherry-picked stat.

Nevermind that Florida was his first ever game because the L-Tech game got postponed.

Still, in those 4 games he had 1013 yards passing and 308 yards rushing. Good for 330 yards per game. His team also averaged just over 25 points per game in those contests.

Let's take a closer look at this:

Bama: 2nd in scoring defense (10.69), 1st in yardage (246)
A&M was +18 in scoring, and Johnny was +99 by himself in yards (345)

Florida: 3rd (12.92), 5th (283)
A&M was +4 in scoring, and Johnny was -50 in yards (233)

LSU: 11 (16.92), 8 (296)
A&M was +2 in scoring, and Johnny was +6 in yards (302)

MissSt: 28 (22.42), 58 (389.92)
A&M was +15 in scoring, and Johnny was +50 in yards (450)

That's 3 top 10 defenses and a top 50

You could also argue that Ole Miss, Missouri, and Louisiana Tech equals Baylor, Miami, and West Virginia, but whatever. Big XII schedule is designed to have 7-8 winning teams every year.

Let's look at Collin's 8-game competition:

Defensive rankings (yardage, scoring)
OU- 44, 43
Texas-75, 72
OkState- 82, 72
TCU- 18, 35
WVU- 108, 114
Tech- 39, 91
Baylor- 119, 115
Miami- 117, 82

That's 0 top-20 defenses, 2 top-50, and 3 hovering around the bottom of the 120 schools.

Now, you might say, well the Big 12 plays a different style than the SEC and we have great QBs blah blah blah. Go ahead and argue for Doege, Lawrence, the revolving door at OSU, or Ash (lol), but I decided to list the Rush defensive rankings as well.

TCU- 10, 3.28
OSU- 36, 3.73
Texas- 101, 4.40
Baylor- 90, 4.74
WVU- 41, 3.54
OU- 81, 4.79
Miami- 113, 4.97
Tech- 73, 73 4.83

Not much better.

Now you may say, "well the SEC pads stats with a weak OOC schedule." I agree. It's pathetic. But the reality is that the Big XII isn't much better. From those 8 teams, only these teams were opponents that were worth a shit.

Notre Dame (Miami)
Notre Dame (OU)
Arizona (OSU)
Ole Miss (Texas)

From A&M's 4 opponents you had:

Florida State (Florida)
Michigan (Alabama)
Washington (LSU)

K-State- Miami, Missouri St, North Texas
Texas A&M- Louisiana Tech, SMU, Sam Houston, SCstate


In Klein's 8 games, he averaged only 288 yards per game, which was about 40yards short of the Big XII's best defensive team- TCU (330 yards per game), and 5 yards short of what Johnny averaged against three top-10 defenses. Klein also only averaged 3.9 YPC during these games.

Now let's look at Rushing Touchdowns:

Blake Bell errr... I mean Collin Klein had 22

10 were from the 1 yard line
1- 2-4 yards
6- 5-9 yards
2- 10-19 yards
3- 20+ (22, 28, 34)

Johnny Manziel had 19 touchdowns:

2- 1 yard touchdowns
3- 2-4 yards
3- 5-9 yards
4- 10-19 yards
7- 20+ (20, 20, 29, 37, 39, 48, 72)

Johnny, by far, had the more impressive this year. A&M probably would have had 1 or 2 losses in the Big XII, but he may have went for 5000+.

As for Manti... I was never too impressed. Even his biggest INT wasn't an INT. Denard Robinson made his year. Denard Robinson has an awful throwing arm.
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