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Old 12-25-2012, 12:44 AM   #864
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Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
The facts: the US has 3.2 gun homicides per 100k folks. That's 12 times higher than other developed countries. If psychology is the main course, we should have 12 times as many psychologically disturbed people. We don't. America takes mental disorders pretty seriously, treating them and refusing to stigmatize them -- we actually do better here than other developed countries.

The popular culture excuse is just laughable -- there's almost no significant difference between our pop culture and the rest of the Western world's, thanks to enhanced globalization. It's basically the same culture. Japan is home to a lot of the video games the NRA hilariously blames, yet Japan's gun homicide rate? Zero. (They have one of the most restrictive gun control templates in the western world.)

When looking internationally, it's obvious that the one feature internationally that would explain why America has such dreadful gun homicide rates is so excessive. We have incredibly permissive laws when it comes to the sale and acquisition of guns.

We have 5% of the world's population, yet we have 50% of the world's guns. We also have evidence that tightening gun laws even in countries with traditions of gun ownership can and does reduce gun violence. Following Austrailia's 1996 ban on all auto and semiauto weapons (a real ban, not one with some 600 exceptions like the Clinton ban did), gun related homicides dropped by 59% over the next decade.

To me, all the evidence points in the same direction: barriers to gun access can and do work. They make perpetrating gun violence more difficult, they require potential criminals to go an extra mile (even a few extra feet will deter some folks). I am not of the belief that Americans are just a different breed -- we're the same species as the rest of the planet, and are of the same cultural development as the Western world. What's different are our laws.
So here is the "logic" behind your guesswork. You'd make one heck of a good climate scientist. Working off from incomplete data but asserting that your conclusion is undeniably correct!

I have bolded the part where you are so wrong it is ridiculous. Let me guess... you have never lived overseas and you sure as hell have never lived in Europe. Am I right? I have and if you think Americans and Europeans are the same "breed" you are nuts. The Europe I know (10+ years ago but I doubt this has changed) is full of complete and udder(<--see what I did there!) cattle. They are the least aggressive most passive pussified people on the damn planet. Of course these are broad generalities with many exceptions but hopefully you can see the point that we ARE very different. FAR more aggressive and conflict oriented here in America. Let me give you an example. I knew a girl who was studying to be a pharmacist so I was helping her learn technical English related to the field (she was already fluent in conversational English). She told me about an instance where two men came into the pharmacy and robbed it. And here is the kicker... with a regular kitchen knife and a meat... wait for it... meat TENDERIZER. Yes, a small metal mallet. I laughed thinking it was a joke, but she was serious. So I asked her, if it was just her and some other girls (in Spain it is perfectly acceptable to ask a sexist question like that). She told me know, there were plenty of men both behind the counter working and male customers shopping. My point being... in America.. those two would have been LAUGHED out of the building.. in Europe they walked out with an armful of drugs.

So, NO we are not 12 times more violent than Europe.. we are 20 times more violent.

I also think you are also wrong about limits on legal gun ownership having a tangible effect on mass shootings but there I am guessing just like you.
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