Originally Posted by Direckshun
So... I can't use any information, statistics, or evidence of gun control effectiveness from Western countries, because that's not applicable to our culture.
But the Swiss can be used in service of your point.
Did I summarize that dynamic accurately?
Wow, are you sleepy? Logic evading you at the moment?
Let me try to summarize so you can keep up..
You say "we have 12X the amount of gun violence of other Western nations." OMG!!!!
You say "it's because we have easy access to guns.. that's why!!!"
I say "No, it is because we are just more aggressive and violent, it has nothing to do with the amount of guns... it's because we are a different culture"
I PROVE this by showing that the Swiss (part of your data set) have ready access to far "worse" guns than we do and yet they have the low gun violence you desire. Therefore, your "access to guns" argument falls apart.
EDIT: I actually don't prove anything except that your premise is wrong.. and there has to be another explanation, I offer up the "different culture" theory as one
I can use the Swiss because they clearly illustrate that your simple conclusion about the causalities in regard to the Western countries data are false. They are a Western nation like us. They have ready access to guns like us. Yet they have lower gun violence.
SOOOO, your premise that gun access is the major factor falls apart. Unless of course you want to claim that Switzerland is somehow an outlier. In which case I make the same claim for America.
And I'm pretty sure the line judge will back me up here... yes, he does.. and that is GAME.