Originally Posted by Direckshun
Which, of course, they do apply.
You're attempting to argue that examples from our Western allies aren't applicable at all, which is hysterical since you just did a song and dance about how Switzerland is some great example for how gun laws could work in the United States.
You're making no sense.
Seriously? You still don't get the Swiss thing. It is not a positive proof. I am not using it to show anything except that your premise is wrong. How hard is this to follow? (Guessing you never took many logic classes or participated in debate.)
Just to help you out.. here is the meat of what I said...
MY argument is that the Swiss (God Bless them and their chocolates) have two major differences from us. #1) every gun owner is well trained (doubt this makes much difference in what we are talking about but maybe, so let's at least put it out there) and #2) they are a vastly different and less aggressive culture.
So, please explain to me why the Swiss have such low gun violence stats when they assuredly have ready access to guns?
You claim that the reason Euros have lower gun violence is because they have less access to guns. The Swiss have as much access and much deadlier guns... yet they don't have a problem. Therefore your premise doesn't hold water. Therefore there must be ANOTHER reason for the disparity. My claim is that it is cultural. I have no statistical proof of this (not even sure how that would be possible) but at the least I can show your premise to be crap.