Originally Posted by AustinChief
Wow, are you sleepy? Logic evading you at the moment?
Let me try to summarize so you can keep up..
You say "we have 12X the amount of gun violence of other Western nations." OMG!!!!
You say "it's because we have easy access to guns.. that's why!!!"
I say "No, it is because we are just more aggressive and violent, it has nothing to do with the amount of guns... it's because we are a different culture"
I PROVE this by showing that the Swiss (part of your data set) have ready access to far "worse" guns than we do and yet they have the low gun violence you desire. Therefore, your "access to guns" argument falls apart.
I can use the Swiss because they clearly illustrate that your simple conclusion about the causalities in regard to the Western countries data are false. They are a Western nation like us. They have ready access to guns like us. Yet they have lower gun violence.
SOOOO, your premise that gun access is the major factor falls apart. Unless of course you want to claim that Switzerland is somehow an outlier. In which case I make the same claim for America.
There are far more Western countries, really almost every single one of them, that I can show that have less access to guns than we do, and have far less gun homicides than we do.
I made this point earlier, but you rebuffed it because all of these countries are incomparable to us in every way.
So, you pick up on Switzerland, and you're like "well these guys don't fit your theory, so they clearly fit the narrative for America I'm trying to sell."
Again, you're trying to have it both ways. You're telling me no country is applicable, but you can apply Switzerland.