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Old 12-27-2012, 01:08 AM   #183
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane View Post
The universe has always existed. See the equation E=MC2. Take out of it this, mass can be 3 different things. Energy is what the universe was before it formed. There are undoubtedly 100's of other universes, probably billions.

Yes but before the big bang there was something. I prefer to believe there was energy and it coalesced into the matter that exists today. Makes no real difference as we KNOW the big bang happened what was before that is just interesting speculation.
Hold it. You are trying to take the easy way out in explaining what was before the Big Bang.

You can’t just say, “it makes no real difference… what was before… it’s just interesting speculation”. If you really believe that then you wouldn’t object so strongly that God had something to do with it and created our Universe.

You also cannot say, “The universe has always existed” and in the same breath say, “Energy is what the universe was before it was formed.” It either existed or it didn’t. Then you throw the “See E=mc2…” equation as ‘proof’ in an effort to glaze it over.
You haven’t even mentioned time, spacetime (3rd and 4th dimensions), gravity, etc.
Explain, time – it was either created or has always existed. If there has always been a Universe then there must always have been time, how they get here?

The equation is Energy = Mass times the Speed of Light (186,000 per second) squared. The Speed of Light is not mass. “Mass can be 3 different things” (maybe I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say here but that makes no sense to me so please explain, or not).

And while I'm on the subject of the speed of light – black holes screw with the speed of light in that it can’t escape the event horizon (radius of a black hole). And that is one of the problems with the Big Bang theory.

You cannot place an age on the universe (accepted to be 13.7 – 14.5 billion by scientists) that has always existed. Nor can you say, "there are 100’s or billions more universes", while saying there was just energy before and still believe the Big Bang created our Universe.
If you had mentioned String Theory and that it may be the catalyst for the Big Bang that would be more reasonable than what written.
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