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Old 12-27-2012, 09:04 PM   #192
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Originally Posted by Dave Lane View Post
If you notice e=mc2 means matter can exist in 3 states. E is energy, we are just now starting to measure dark energy, so there is undetectable dark energy that permeates this universe. I believe this energy has always been. Sometimes they may well be a large build up of this invisible energy on a scale we can't imagine that can burst forth a new universe. Its far more likely than the ideas put forth in any religious book. Precisely because it can happen, where other claims are so preposterous, I feel its likely it may have.

The idea that a god of any bible would go through the contortions of a big bang just so 13.7 billion years later humans could evolve on a speck of nothing is mind bottling. I can't understand for the life of me how people fail to see the absolute conceit of such a notion. It truly is amazing.
In classical chemistry there are 3 classifications of energy – Transitional, Chemical and Vibrational. I’m figuring that’s what you are referring to and that’s what threw me.

In physics, energy falls into two sets: Potential (stored or resting) and Kinetic. Potential pertains to any stored energy that can be used for future use. Kinetic is energy used to displace or move an object.

From that, we can say there are several different types that fall into one of the two sets. Some examples are:
Radiant, Sound, Chemical, Thermal, Mechanical, Gravitational, Nuclear, etc.

When you mention dark energy I’m thinking, dark matter and I would ask you, since dark matter does not absorb light nor emits radiation then it would not follow E=mc2, correct? I think I do understand where you’re going with it but let me see. You’re saying that the ‘nothingness’ that some scientists say existed before the Big Bang is actually dark matter? I can follow that but dark matter’s existence hinges upon the gravitational effect on visible matter doesn’t it? And, if there was no visible matter before the Big bang then it doesn't follow although I don't disagree, I think that sounds more reasonable than saying there was real nothingness period.
I’m just trying to follow your thought process.

To address your last few remarks though, a religious book is a religious book as is a science book is a science book they are no different, one from the other, or one to the other. No difference at all. They are words written by humans.

If you truly believe that energy ( in whatever form) has always existed, cannot be created or destroyed, exists in everything and all things then you’ve just described God my friend. The claim’s exactly the same and no more preposterous than your belief that dark matter has eternal existence from which the Big Bang happened. We are actually a lot closer to agreeing and believing the same thing, and that will make you more uncomfortable than me.

For you to purport God’s contortions (and we won’t visit the 13.7 billion years right now. That’s for another time) happened and eventually evolved humans on a speck of nothing is more what you believe than I. Just change “god” to ‘energy” and it is just as mind boggling and outrageous an event. Energy and God, enigmas. Imagine that.

The faith/science you have that a chair will hold you when you sit down is the same faith/science I have in God only mine will never fail and yes, He truly is amazing!
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