Originally Posted by BucEyedPea
Then you missed my pro-life my abortion arguments. I believe the first reason governments are formed is to protect human life and that this is inviolate. Self-defense, personal or collectively, as I have stated here but you seem to be ignoring are the only valid reasons for taking the life of another. This is the proper role of govt. I never claimed to be anarchist or for no govt—just limited govt. We have the right to "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" in that exact order. Life is protected first and foremost by govt. <--- for KChiefer too.
That is self defense. Helping in a suicide makes you murderer. It is not self-defense. If a person themselves do it, and succeed then the point is moot isn't it? The state can't do anything. Otherwise, it's usually a call for help.
Well more often than not we are on the same page this is just not one of those instances. What you see as murder I see as an act of mercy and simply being humane. We couldn’t be further apart on this one. While I feel strongly about this issue I see no chance in either changing the others mind so we will just have to agree to disagree and not waste one another’s time.
I would say using deadly force to defend ones property while legal in many places probably wouldn’t meet your criteria for a deadly response. I’m not entirely comfortable with it myself but, would have a very difficult time as juror voting to convict a homeowner for shooting an intruder. The burglar would need to present one hell of a case.