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Old 01-28-2013, 03:02 AM   #1410
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 View Post
I have not hidden that I despise LeBron (and yes, if he goes to Cleveland, I will root for him to do well but will never like him). But seriously, **** off for saying anything I've said is "butthurt" from liking the Cavs. I have complimented the hell out of LeBron for his playoff performance.



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You're the one claiming that it was one of the best of all time. Of all time. That's a damn high standard.
I'm not just pulling that claim out of my ass like you've done here repeatedly to suggest that LeBron lacks clutchness or doesn't have some kind of instinct. The stats merely suggest it is. Only Tim Duncan has ever had a higher win share total in a postseason than LeBron did in 2012: http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._yearly_p.html And only thirteen times in the history of the game has a player ever had a PER in the postseason as high as LeBron did in 2012 (Jordan did it twice): http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._top_10_p.html If that isn't a historic level of dominance, I don't know what is.

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1. Stop posting his 4-quarter performance as if I haven't acknowledged his tremendous performance.
His overall dominance in leading the Heat to the championship (or in other words, his 4-quarter performances) is really the only thing that matters, not whether he took a few shots late in games, so I don't think I will.

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2. No. YOU are the one saying it's an insult, not me. When rating best playoff performances of all time... guess what, Peyton Manning doesn't fall anywhere on the list. Big Ben, Eli, Montana, Brady had a lot more underwhelming playoff runs that were capitalized by unbelievably clutch play when it counted.
I guess it's a good thing then that Peyton Manning was a pretty poor analogy for LeBron because LeBron has performed exceedingly well in the postseason (3rd all time in both PER and WS/48 behind MJ and Mikan).

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3. You are an unbelievable homer if you want to suggest LeBron is anywhere near the kind of closer MJ was. MJ was the best closer of all time. By a wide margin.
I haven't said anything about "closing" at any time. I'm only talking about how good a player he is and what he's accomplished in his career with a particular focus on the postseason.

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4. I am not saying Kobe is a better closer than LeBron. Given how insanely good LeBron is... he passes on the last shot WAY more often than he should.
I trust LeBron and his elite BB IQ to know when to pass on the last shot far more than some bitter former LeBron/current Cavs fan does.

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5. No, you're grandstanding. You're ranking last year as one of the best playoff performances of all time. Let's call it what it was.
It was one of the best playoff performances of all time by any real objective standard and statistic that is out there. He quite simply carried the Heat to a title over 20+ games with some of the most dominant games in NBA postseason history. If the stats didn't suggest it was, I wouldn't be saying it. But they do.

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6. I have been more than objective in my post. You are such a homer that you are painting his performance as practically perfect and the stuff of legends. You place that ridiculously high standard then battle back when somebody says it was anything less than perfect. Who's being unreasonable here?
I'm a Raptors fan. I have no reason to be a homer for LeBron. If anything, I shouldn't like him because he was instrumental in Bosh's move to Miami. But as any basketball fan should, I respect his incredible talent and accomplishments for what they are.
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