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Old 02-09-2013, 05:45 PM   #274
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you're ignoring the real issue here--you're applying all of your analysis through the lens of HINDSIGHT, man. since none of us has a time machine, OF COURSE THERE WAS NO CHANCE THEY'D BUST
That's really not true. I'm not using hindsight.

I was a teenager in 1983, had been to countless Chiefs games and hell, even watched the USFL! There was no one like John Elway before or pretty much since.

Note I didn't mention Steve Young, even though he signed a $42 million dollar contract with the Los Angeles Express. He was definitely a work in progress unlike Elway, who willed his team to three Super Bowls and won his final two.

Anyone that doubted Manning was an idiot. Anyone that followed him closely knew of and likely watched his father, an amazing QB that played in an era before free agency. Same with Luck. His father was an NFL QB, successful businessman and groomed his son to be an NFL QB, who played like an NFL QB at Stanford.

Sometimes, guys ARE sure things.

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yeah--there was 99% of a chance they weren't going to bust... but in NO world is that EVER 100%. shit happens, man. do we consider percy snow a bust? he was a HELL of a linebacker in college... but, never reached his potential (due to a freak injury, but... SHIT HAPPENS).
Percy Snow started kicking ass in the 11th game of his rookie season. That defense would have been even better had he not injured himself in a dopey moped accident in the following training camp.

But that said, he didn't fail because of ability, he failed due to a freak injury, so it doesn't really count in this discussion. Furthermore, he wasn't the #1 overall choice.

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hindsight is a bitch, and you remove all doubt when you look at this through that lens. however, DURING AND BEFORE THE DRAFT, hindsight is NOT available.
Again, I'm not using hindsight.


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how does this apply to geno smith? WE CAN'T LOOK BACK IN HINDSIGHT BECAUSE WE AREN'T IN THE ****ING FUTURE.


Who said anything about Eugene Smith?

Seriously, I think many people here are so infatuated with him, that they ****ing wet dream at night.

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take-home message? feel free to say that those guys were CAN'T MISS until you're blue in the face. I'll just sit back here and giggle at the fact that you don't realize the logical fallacy you're falling victim to.
Agree to disagree.

It's not a fallacy, it's a fact. Now, maybe not everyone in the NFL or who watches the NFL felt that Elway, Manning and Luck were "Can't Miss" or "Sure Thing" players, but there was certainly a consensus about each of those guys that they WERE can't miss players.

Anyone who thought otherwise was ****ing stupid.
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