Originally Posted by listopencil
No, I completely understand the difference. You are ignoring the effects of religion, apparently because you are ambivalent about the existence of God. As am I, by the way. Our personal feelings about God is a separate issue than the laws we have to live by that our affected by the religious beliefs of others.
I am not ignoring the effects of religion, I'm dismissing them because they're not relevant to the discussion.
This started as a discussion about Agnosticism and Atheism, both of which have everything to do with the existence of God and NOTHING to do with the effects of organized religion on society.
It's obvious that you harbor considerable bitterness towards organized religion. I respect that.
But that has nothing at all to do with whether there is, or is not, a God.