Originally Posted by O.city
Joe Flacco was a second round graded QB he didn't slip, he was drafted above where he was slotted. . There are two Qb's this year who have first round grades. Yes, it's not early first at this point, but it's a first.
Most first round Qb's don't turn out? Do most LT's? Or Dt's?
Fair enough, for the sake of argument let's say Flacco is a contrary example. You'd also have Brees you could add to this group.
If we peel off those which are significantly special examples like Peyton and Eli to try to normalize things, I don't think we see the correlation we typically hear about. Brady was a low round pick, but we can't really count that as normalized either, because he was essentially a winning lottery ticket.
I agree that it's a bit of an argument from silence. The Brady super bowls cloud the numbers for the last 10 or 15 years, and trying to normalize beyond the super-elite super-minority clouds it further.
Here are all the 1st round QBs since 2000.
Rex Grossman ^
Eli Manning *
Ben Roethlisberger *
Aaron Rodgers *
Joe Flacco *
Robert Griffin III
Apologies if I missed anything.
There we have 30-some guys, and only 4 have won Super Bowls in the 12 contested since then.
So the success rate of these guys, almost all of whom were generally accepted
first round picks, is about 1 in 10.
Other than a Manning, we have only Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Rodgers among 1st rounders winning Super Bowls. And those guys were all middle-late first, weren't they?
Outside of a few no-brainer choices, the picture isn't very clear. That's all I am pointing out.