[Carlota69]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I know better, but I'll play...

Tom Brady...............30 wins/ 28 losses in 58 games = 52%
Joe Flacco................10 wins/12 losses in 22 games = 46%
Matt Ryan................11 wins/17 losses in 28 games = 39%
Peyton Manning........35 wins/ 54 losses in 89 games = 39%
Aaron Rodgers..........11 wins/19 losses in 30 games = 37%
Drew Brees..............27 wins/ 51 losses in 78 games = 35%
Eli Manning, .............18 wins/44 losses in 62 games = 29%
Matthew Stafford........7 wins/ 21 losses in 28 games = 25%
Matt Schaub..............14 wins/43 losses in 57 games = 25%
Matt Cassel...............8 wins/26 losses in 34 games = 24%
Ben Roethilsberger........6 wins/21 losses in 27 games = 22%
Alex Smith..................2 wins/27 losses in 29 games = 7%

What this means to you is up to how much you think an elite QB impacts the team. All I know is, there is a hell of a difference between 7% and even 35% when you are fighting for a playoff berth or trying to navigate to the superbowl. All of those elite/elitish guys are in the 30's on up.

Brady, Manning, Brees and Rodgers are in the top 6, all cleary elite QBs. Flacco is nearly elite. Ryan, I didn't expect. So who knows?

All I know is, it is no secret it is very difficult to win when your Defense allows 24 points. That is why it is a bellweather. That's why they don't use 7 or 14 points as the dividing point. Because giving up 24 means you usually lose. So the key here is, what QBs shoulder their team and give you SOME chance to win when the Defense gives up 24 points.

All of this means exactly jack since it is a team sport, but it does seem indicate that some QBs can step up to generate points when needed and other QBs can't.

Just for fun, here is a how a classic HoFer fared -

Joe Montana...........21 wins/24 losses in 45 games = 46%

Hmm, maybe there is a little something to this metric.

How many of Casshats wins were when he was with NE?