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Old 03-19-2013, 10:10 AM   #22
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It is inevitable, of course, that you would blame Obama for "losing" Iraq, but it's really only NeoCon arrogance that we can rebuild countries in our image that led to making the mistake that we were going to "win" (in the way that you mean) there to begin with.
No, it has nothing to do with rebuilding them in our image. That would have been nice, but it was never the most important goal for me, at least. What I wanted was a western-friendly state that could help us in our quest to diminish radical islamism.

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Instead, we have an Iraq that is increasingly looking to Iran (our main Islamist enemy in the region). Long term, that was probably inevitable given the democraphics of the country, once we toppled the existing dictatorship. Don't think there was a way to win there. Never was. We just chose the bloodiest, most expensive way to lose.
I don't think it was inevitable at all. Barack Obama was handed a strong diplomatic relationship with a country that was on the upswing economically and that was tired of war but with strong feelings of insecurity. He immediately declared our intentions to abandon ship and did nothing to counter Iraqi factions that wanted the US out. Pure failure. Thank goodness Bush won the war before Obama got the opportunity to lose it or it would have been an infinitely worse result.
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