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Old 03-26-2013, 04:22 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea View Post
Have you ever heard of conflicting rights issues?

Freedom of religion trumps this alleged right of gays to demand an individual take their picture. That's fascism.
Getting their picture taken by certain person or member of a group is not a natural right.


Well, I can't say that a purely libertarian system is a horrible idea. It's just not what we have... And I think what we have is probably better. The problem with allowing discrimination in public business (discounting any ethical argument) is that you never know when you're going to find yourself on the losing end of the tyranny of the majority. A purely libertarian system might be more efficient, but you start to lose the benefits of having a society in the first place. And one of those benefits is the avoidance of such tyranny. It's all too easy to espouse ideas that nurture liberty and freedom to refuse service to anybody you want, while your particular race/creed is in favor. But no matter what you believe, you can find a time and place in the history books that hated your shit for no good reason.

Forgetting that, and calling that freedom seems short sighted to me. REAL freedom is large groups of people, who by social contract, have decided to shelve their differences and get out of the harsh state of nature. That process of shelving our differences means, we don't get to murder each other and we don't get to cheat each other, and we don't get to ostracize a group through tyranny of the majority. All should be enforced by law. That's the whole POINT of society. Let that go, and what do you have left? Might as well go back to the cave.
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