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Old 04-10-2013, 02:35 PM   #46
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Good Lord, you are full of it. Since when is calling the Labor Party Liberal a smear? Center-Left implies being in the center, but leaning left. My opinion is that Labor is primarily Left, and occasionally leans to the center. I think that is a significant distinction to make.
Calling the Labour Party "liberal" is not a smear. I never said it was. However, saying that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher (a clearly shameful and disgraceful act) is a smear on the Labour Party. The classification of "center-left" or "left-center" clearly encompasses your characterization of the Labour Party. There again seems to be no point to your disagreement with what I said, except you wish to emphasize the "left" element of the characterization. Fine -- by all means, go ahead. But don't say that the characterization is wrong.

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And it was not a single supporter...it was one of the largest unions in all of England....the second largest, in fact, with over 1.3 millions members. Kind of dishonest to portray them as a single supporter, no? Them celebrating Thatcher's death would akin to the Teamsters celebrating the death of Ronald Reagan the Teamsters has approx 1.4 million members).
Except it's not the Union that is celebrating her death. It was Jon Rogers, an agent of the Union (a Union that supports the Labour Party), that defended the celebrations. This would really be like an official for the Teamsters defending a celebration of the death of Ronald Reagan, and then you saying, "Democrats celebrate the death of Ronald Reagan!"

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I am not a fan of modern liberalism, and modern conservatism has had its share of disappointments as well. But to portray the Labor Party as center first is not correct. Labor is liberal, not left-center, or whatever fancy phrase you want to use to attempt to portray them as anything other than being on the left.
It's not a portrayal of "center" first. It's a portrayal of being "left of center." That's what the phrase 'center-left' or 'left-center' means. I didn't come up with this. It's general knowledge that you have seem incapable of understanding.

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Your original comment was that Labor would not celebrate Thatcher's death in the streets. I think my point stands...there are some in Labor that did celebrate, and celebrated in a very public manner.
My original comment was that, "[The Labour Party] is not celebrating the death of Margret Thatcher in the streets." That's true, despite your link which notes a banner display of a Union that supports the Labour Party and an official of the Union defending the celebration. Your point, as you state it there, is unproven. My link, which shows the leader of the Labour Party's reflection on her death, would cause an honest person to change tune.

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My opinion was not built on any dishonest principles...it just happened to disagree with yours. Live with it. Feel free to call those who disagree with you "intellectually dishonest" or whatever phrase you like. I hope you can overcome your own close mindedness, and accept that people can have an opinion different from yours.
Your belief that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher is built on your exceptional example. You use that to prove your proposed rule. That's an intellectually dishonest method of argument. It's not just an opinion.
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