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Old 04-10-2013, 03:00 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by La literatura View Post
Calling the Labour Party "liberal" is not a smear. I never said it was. However, saying that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher (a clearly shameful and disgraceful act) is a smear on the Labour Party. The classification of "center-left" or "left-center" clearly encompasses your characterization of the Labour Party. There again seems to be no point to your disagreement with what I said, except you wish to emphasize the "left" element of the characterization. Fine -- by all means, go ahead. But don't say that the characterization is wrong.



Except it's not the Union that is celebrating her death. It was Jon Rogers, an agent of the Union (a Union that supports the Labour Party), that defended the celebrations. This would really be like an official for the Teamsters defending a celebration of the death of Ronald Reagan, and then you saying, "Democrats celebrate the death of Ronald Reagan!"



It's not a portrayal of "center" first. It's a portrayal of being "left of center." That's what the phrase 'center-left' or 'left-center' means. I didn't come up with this. It's general knowledge that you have seem incapable of understanding.



My original comment was that, "[The Labour Party] is not celebrating the death of Margret Thatcher in the streets." That's true, despite your link which notes a banner display of a Union that supports the Labour Party and an official of the Union defending the celebration. Your point, as you state it there, is unproven. My link, which shows the leader of the Labour Party's reflection on her death, would cause an honest person to change tune.



Your belief that the Labour Party celebrates the death of Thatcher is built on your exceptional example. You use that to prove your proposed rule. That's an intellectually dishonest method of argument. It's not just an opinion.
Yes or no question...Were those that celebrated in this instance supporters of the Labor Party?

Your statement was an absolute...that the Labor Party did not celebrate Thatchers death...the article that I posted clearly shows that there are some in the Labor Party that did.... I never said these celebrations were "the rule"...but they were enough of them that they are not the "exception" that you think they are.

You lecture me about viewing things in black and white...yet your own perception is "rules" and "exceptions". Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?

Another question...if the Labor Party official line would "cause an honest person to change their tune" then why did leaders of the Labor Party make multiple statements about not celebrating in an attempts to keep their party in line? If they are such an exception, why is Tony Blair publicly condemning them on the BBC, and calling for his own party to "show some respect"? If they are such the exception, surely they would not warrant the attention of party leaders, would they?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22080238
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013...ir=UK+Politics
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4620142.html

Again, I do not think the celebrations are the view of the majority of the Labor Party (which you would define as the "rule")...but it does appear to be a significant amount of the minority of that party that did celebrate, much more than a mere "exception"

Considering the amount of damage control that Labor is doing at the moment, I do not think that my opinion "smears" them in any way.
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