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Old 05-06-2013, 09:44 AM   #1184
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Littlefinger won that round, he thwarted Varys' plot to have Sansa marry Loras, and he ferreted out Varys' spy and gave her to Joffrey to kill which elminates her as a spy and wins Littlefinger favor with Joffrey. Plus I loved the Chaos is a ladder speech.
Particular as it was intercut with [or immediately followed by, can't recall precisely] Jon and firecrotch ascending their own literal 'ladder' to the top of the wall. LF is talking about a metaphorical survival and triumph while they were accomplishing a literal survival and triumph.

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What I want to know is what Varys really means when he says he did what he did for the "good of the realm." He said the same thing to Ned Stark in the dungeons in Season 1, and I just don't know if I believe him, or what the word "realm" really means to him. Littlefinger's motives seem obvious and are pretty much self gain. Not so sure what Varys' motives are.
Varys is betting on power in the peopled lands under the king on the Iron Throne. He knows that some have more virtuous causes, but war will always fall hardest on the common man. He's figuring that peace under a bad king is always superior to war for a better or more virtuous king. If for nothing else, the people will spill their blood and the Iron Throne will end up twisting the virtuous future king into another form of bad leader anyway.

He wants royal disputes, when they arise, to be solved in the inner circle [ie, small council] where lands and crops aren't destroyed and citizens aren't slaughtered.
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